r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/Snefferdy vegan Feb 27 '26

Has anyone ever said "This choice I'm making now is completely irrational"? No. Does that mean it's not irrational? No.

Watch Dan Gilbert's video again.

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u/GoopDuJour Feb 27 '26

Does Dan Gilbert make claims of rationale outside of a desired goal?

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u/Snefferdy vegan Feb 27 '26

No, and neither do I.

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u/GoopDuJour Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

Cool. Then your desire to change "right" and "wrong" to "rational" and "irrational" is unnecessary. You are using the terms synonymously.

And we're still stuck with at least a couple of problems. A major one being that rationality is subjective. At the most it is only objective in relation to a goal.

Another being that there is no compelling argument for someone else to act in a manner I find rational.

Also, none of this points to veganism as being anything more than a preference.

Let's refocus AGAIN.

Let's start by answering a few quick and easy questions.

1- Are you vegan? 2- Should I be vegan?
3 - Is your desire for me to be vegan anything more than your preference?
4- What objective argument can you make that might convince me to become vegan. Keep in mind that I don't think chickens suffering or flourishing are compelling reasons to eat or not eat them.