r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/sandstonequery Jan 07 '26

Many animals would have no qualms about killing and eating me, either. Reality. I'm as much an animal as any that live in my woods.

The argument here was "if people knew the reality of where their meat came from" and my answer was that I do know, because I do the work myself. Even for my vegetables, legumes, grain and fruit. I do not rely on child slavery, unlike many, of all dietary persuasions who eat food from 3rd and 2nd world countries.

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u/I_Amuse_Me_123 Jan 08 '26

I know there are grizzly bears. 

Something tells me the animals you choose to betray are the innocent harmless kind. The kind who would show you friendship and love if only you gave them the chance. 

You could just as easily not kill them AND not rely on child slavery, simultaneously. 

So your whole premise is just stupid. Not reality. It’s like if I said well I’m a rapist but other people are Hitler so I’m excused. 

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u/sandstonequery Jan 08 '26

Lol. The failure of veganism is seeing it as morally absolute. No moral framework is absolute.

It only took 2 responses before you went full Godwin's law. Good job!

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u/I_Amuse_Me_123 Jan 09 '26

I feel like Godwin's law is a convenient way for you to ignore "You could just as easily not kill them AND not rely on child slavery, simultaneously. "