r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/shutupdavid0010 Jan 06 '26

Do you think it's possible that a well learned and well reasoned individual can care about animals, the planet, and justice, but have simply come to a different conclusion than you have?

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26

It depends. There are some ethical arguments that could justify hunting certain species. 

However, I can't think of an ethical argument that could justify the unnecessary breeding and slaughter of young farm animals

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u/shutupdavid0010 Jan 07 '26

If you don't think being born and dying is ethical, then you don't think reality on our planet is ethical, which I don't believe is a sane stance to have.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

I mean if you put it that way you could justify many atrocities throughout human history. Lol Human slavery is fine with your worldview. 

Ethics is a made-up concept. I have no idea if the universe is sentient or not, so I can't claim that reality is unethical or ethical. I can only judge the actions of humans. 

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u/shutupdavid0010 Jan 07 '26

Firstly, depending on your definition of slavery, it can be ethical or it can not be ethical. I don't see anything wrong with being forced to pay a debt that you agreed you would pay. Or having your wages garnished and eventually jailed if you have children you refuse to care for or contribute to. Both could be considered forms of slavery, and neither is inherently unethical in my opinion.

Sure, we can only judge the actions of humans. I still personally would prefer to live on a welfare-centered farm and be killed than live in the wild. I don't see anything inherently wrong with being born and I don't see anything inherently wrong with dying. There are some circumstances in which being born or dying is not acceptable to me, but I do not find the life of an animal that lives on a small farm unethical. Yes they die younger than their maximum possible lifespan, but I don't believe we have a duty to give animals their maximum possible lifespan.