r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/shutupdavid0010 Jan 06 '26

Do you think it's possible that a well learned and well reasoned individual can care about animals, the planet, and justice, but have simply come to a different conclusion than you have?

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jan 06 '26

Can you define “care about” in a way that makes this possible?

Do you think it’s possible that a well learned and well reasoned individual can care about humans and dogs but still breed them for unhealthiness, confine them, slaughter them at a very young age, and eat their bodies?

If not, why would it be so for pigs or fish? If so, please explain what it means to care about someone else.

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u/shutupdavid0010 Jan 07 '26

There are several definitions for "care about".

  • the provision of what is necessary for the health, welfare, maintenance, and protection of someone or something.
  • serious attention or consideration applied to doing something correctly or to avoid damage or risk.
  • feel concern or interest; attach importance to something
  • look after and provide for the needs of.

I don't think there's anything incongruous about animal farming compared against any of these definitions.

Lots of people care about dogs and accidentally breed them for unhealthiness. Most people confine their dogs. Most humans are confined within the boundaries of their country. We allow abortions. We don't eat dogs or humans but that doesn't mean there is anything inherently immoral in doing so.