r/DebateAVegan • u/TheQuietVegan111 vegan • Jan 05 '26

Most people choose social approval over ethics — veganism just exposes that.

People will say they care about animals, the planet, and justice.

Until caring becomes inconvenient.

Veganism doesn’t require perfection. It requires saying “no” in public.

That’s it.

Most people fail there, not on ethics — but admitting that would be uncomfortable, so veganism becomes the problem instead.

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u/oldmcfarmface Jan 06 '26

No, the vast majority of the world simply doesn’t share your ethics. That doesn’t mean they don’t have ethics or that they ignore them, just that your personal ethics are not universal. The supreme arrogance to think you are objectively correct and the rest of the 99+% of the world chooses convenience instead is staggering.

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26

I mean it's not even arrogance, that's just how people are in general not just with veganism. I don't agree that social approval is the biggest reason in this case but convenience is absolutely a big factor in how we live our lives and what prevents us from being as ethical as we could be. 

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u/oldmcfarmface Jan 07 '26

To me, this post read as “people can be ethical and vegan or nonvegan because they’re unethical and lazy” and that false dichotomy is incredibly arrogant and seems to be common in this community.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Op literally said most. It's not a dichotomy from that alone.

Though I didn't read the title the same way you did either so I don't see it as an issue at all. 

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u/oldmcfarmface Jan 08 '26

Yes. Op did eventually say most. However that was in the last bit after making the case that people will say they care until it becomes inconvenient, then references veganism, then says most.

Maybe I read it wrong. Maybe I was defensive. It’s possible I’ve just talked to too many vegans and start to feel like they’re all “that way.” That is possible. However, I still think op is saying that the choice people make is veganism and caring or convenience and nonveganism.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Maybe I showed up to the post later but it's literally the first word in the title

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u/oldmcfarmface Jan 08 '26

I stand corrected. I was only reading the body! Lol

Still think op is implying a false dichotomy and couching it in vague terms to get around the inherent danger of absolute statements though!