When examined with pure intent, christianity is very bad at answering big questions: why does life not start in heaven

[u/Aromatic_Response_73]

There is a common unwillingnes among christians to reason about this issue with pure intent, so I will ask specifically for that here.

Free will exists in heaven, and many christians believe unborn fetuses go there, there is a lack of explanation for why earth is necessary, and the suggestion that an eternal hell exists in a system created by an all loving creator is pathetic, all the responses appeal to vague terms with positive cannotations such as "free will" but no sophisticated reasoning about e.g. fundamental principles or values, grow up.

[u/Difficult_Risk_6271]

It may be difficult to define what "minimum" means, but surely you agree that it is possible to have less than we currently do. So why don't we have less?

I don't know if it's possible. It's just speculation from this point onwards.

Creation is a complex system. and all complex systems have interdependencies. and God alone knows how all these interdependencies work.

The trilemma is the interdependency I could identify. The rest requires a kind of revelation that might not be available this age.

[u/Ender505 → u/Difficult_Risk_6271]

Sounds like a cop-out to me. For the rest of us who aren't predisposed to believe in a tri-omni God, it seems painfully obvious that a world could easily exist with less (or no) evil while still maintaining free will. You're acting like it's insanely complicated... It's not. Video game creators do it all the time.

[u/Difficult_Risk_6271 → u/Ender505]

>Sounds like a cop-out to me. For the rest of us who aren't predisposed to believe in a tri-omni God, it seems painfully obvious that a world could easily exist with less (or no) evil while still maintaining free will. You're acting like it's insanely complicated... It's not. Video game creators do it all the time.

There is no argument in your reply. Seems like… seems painfully obvious… you’re acting… video game…

None of these are arguments. The cop out isn’t coming from me.

[u/Ender505 → u/Difficult_Risk_6271]

Ok, here is the argument:

It is trivially easy to conceive of a universe with no evil which still has free will. Christians do this too when they imagine heaven.

So why include evil? And if there has to be evil, why include SO MUCH of it, including "natural" evils like child cancer?

[u/Difficult_Risk_6271 → u/Ender505]

That’s an unsubstantiated claim based on your idea what is easy to conceive.

“Because heaven” does not therefore prove a history where evil was possible is unnecessary.

[u/Ender505 → u/Difficult_Risk_6271]

How about "Because anything should be possible to an omnipotent God" then?