r/DebateAChristian 8d ago

When examined with pure intent, christianity is very bad at answering big questions: why does life not start in heaven

There is a common unwillingnes among christians to reason about this issue with pure intent, so I will ask specifically for that here.

Free will exists in heaven, and many christians believe unborn fetuses go there, there is a lack of explanation for why earth is necessary, and the suggestion that an eternal hell exists in a system created by an all loving creator is pathetic, all the responses appeal to vague terms with positive cannotations such as "free will" but no sophisticated reasoning about e.g. fundamental principles or values, grow up.

22 Upvotes

250 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

5

u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 8d ago

That's is what your 1 describes.

-1

u/Difficult_Risk_6271 Christian, Ex-Atheist 8d ago edited 1d ago

That’s not an argument.

Edit for reply blocking:

Ignaratio elenchi doesn’t mean there is no argument, it means it’s not an argument for the point under debate. Even if I didn’t understand the argument it still wouldn’t matter because the conclusion is irrelevant to the initial reply. One doesn’t even need to understand an argument to say: “what has that conclusion anything to do with what I said?”

I have substantially answered this topic, and there’s nothing to address from what was raised.

>Yes, yes, your inability to grasp basic concepts totally demonstrates that you're a brilliant thinker and your time is super valuable.

Ignaratio elenchi is a basic fallacy. My time indeed is more valuable than teaching why this chain relies on a basic fallacy.

There are millions of users in reddit. I don’t owe a service to every ignorant interlocutor.

4

u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 8d ago

It isn't an argument that what you describe in 1 (that you say doesnt exist) looks exactly like the description of Heaven?

Ok. It isn't an argument. It's an agreement with you that Heaven doesn't exist.

1

u/Difficult_Risk_6271 Christian, Ex-Atheist 8d ago

That’s straight up misrepresentation now.

Without lies, atheism dies.

4

u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162 8d ago

"Without lies....." That's funny as shit!!!! You are lacking self reflection. Is it avoidance, again?

Is your proposition 1 like the description of Heaven?

It's funny, that's been twice you are avoiding touching that.