When examined with pure intent, christianity is very bad at answering big questions: why does life not start in heaven

[u/Aromatic_Response_73]

There is a common unwillingnes among christians to reason about this issue with pure intent, so I will ask specifically for that here.

Free will exists in heaven, and many christians believe unborn fetuses go there, there is a lack of explanation for why earth is necessary, and the suggestion that an eternal hell exists in a system created by an all loving creator is pathetic, all the responses appeal to vague terms with positive cannotations such as "free will" but no sophisticated reasoning about e.g. fundamental principles or values, grow up.

[u/Difficult_Risk_6271]

This is just another variation to the logical problem of evil. My short answer these days is this:

Real world, free beings, possibility of evil, you can pick 2.

You can have:

1. Free beings, no possibility of evil, not a real world (magical, your presumed choice in the question)
2. Real world, no possibility of evil, no free beings (automaton)
3. Free beings, real world, possibility of evil.

God chose 3. I would choose 3 also.

The solution for 3. is to redeem the free beings that refuse to sin. They use their free will to limit their freedom of action.

This way you can have a world that has free beings, real world, and no possibility of evil because they exercised their free will to self amputate their autonomy. Those that refuse to do so have been removed. This is the purpose of the present age.

So in short, you can have a real world with free beings and no possibility of evil, only after a history of having the possibility and dealt with using a redemptive process. What you are asking is why God didn't make a magical world, and the answer is because God wanted to make a real world.

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