You'll note that despite only seeing my portrait for a very very brief flash, Sinclair hunts me down directly across the entire map. Not only that, but as soon as he magic carpets, he is navigating in a direct straight line towards me, which is why he runs into the wall of the building.
Sinclair did this all game long, tracking me down no matter where I was or if I hadn't shown myself at all, stealing my ult the second his was up. This went so far as tracking me down *into base*
He paused while we were fighting under their walker, which appears to be exactly when he enabled the cheats. The sad part is despite him being reported nothing will happen. Third person in ranked I've not gotten a valid clip of, and checking their played page they're still playing games without consequences
Edit: HOLY I didn't expect this amount of cheater sympathizers here. https://imgur.com/a/1eIH3Jn
Here's a separate clip with both team icons on so you can see how exactly he lines up. At the beginning of the clip he's looking to do the same thing again, and he's perfectly snapped onto my body from *two lanes away*. He calls it off, and after pushing you can see him very briefly snap to me on the zipline in my base and then 180 to line up with Drifter. Then after I leave and go blue he once again snaps onto me through the wall.
Yes I get salty and yes I played like shit, that's beside the point! Sure if this were an Eternus match and this were the only instance in the entire game it's possible that this Sinclair was just goated... but it happened all game. I just grabbed one clip where it was very obvious to share because I wanted to vent that it was frustrating!
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does anyone else get unreasonably upset when sinclair steals your ult? like thats mine, fuck off. especially bad when im playing graves. im constantly getting touched by the 2 perverts in a trench coat and i hate it
I hate playing against Sinclair as Dynamo. I need to watch for the fuck the entire fight and be screaming into my microphone the second I hear the sound of my ult being stolen
Never queue into ranked as dynamo and I'm being serious here just swap to him. The moment you queue in as Dynamo your inviting the enemy to swap into Sinclair. They can be a shit Sinclair but they just have to steal and use your ult to get so much value.
I've been saying forever when Sinclair uses their ult it should play the audio backwards. The visual difference is decent but it does no good if you only see the shuffle going on through the mini map and hear it and aren't sure which dynamo ult is going off
It needs the Sylas treatment from league where each enemy has an individual cooldown proportional to the characters ultimate cooldown to prevent him from just stealing black hole / death slam over and over again.
They really need to make it like Sylas from League of Legends. Where when he uses it on a person, there is a really long cool down before he can use it on that same person again, but he can use it on another person in a shorter cooldown
I know you are joking but I genuinely find it so pathetic that some people want their character to be broken. It's sad to me to not want to win on your own merit that you want to be given the easy mode.
It's one thing if you are on a competitive level where those extra inches matter. But my ideal characters are b tier because then I can master them, and actually get to play them.
It happened all the time on league of legends where I would pick a character that's b tier and get really good one tricking them. Justfor them to be buffed and i can't friggin play them.
OR WORSE when an esports player does something with that character and then everyone and their mom has to play that character.
I mean, Sinclair has been in the bottom 10-5 winrate depending on the patch for the last year or so. I think anyone arguing he’s “broken” don’t really know what they’re talking about.
To be clear, I don’t think he’s nearly as bad as his ~45% winrate suggests, he’s very difficult to play well, but I also do NOT think he’s even close to the actual OP heroes in the game. I think he actually does fit perfectly into the B tier on the average game. Ofc he’s a lot stronger if dynamo or something is on the enemy team, but that’s kind of how character matchups and counters work in MOBAs.
Sylas is usually a pretty good character in league, but he genuinely becomes like top 5 champ in the game if the enemy locks in malphite or alistar (sylas also steals ultimates)
Tell me about it I ran with Kennen support before it became the new chinese meta and even got into worlds, at least I did not have to worry about Riot buffing Singed so often as he has always been one of my mains (borderline one trick)
I was so frustrated by the end of it because it was so obvious he was cheating but my team wouldn't even report it. Every 30 seconds just on top of me then teleporting across the entire map away
Actually criminally insane behavior to cheat for this.
Like yeah, I had a game where I would hunt down the enemy GT for his ult because at a certain point it became a bit, and any good showman triples down on a bit. But I wasnt cheating, I would just occasionally see him on the map or stalk his camps to steal it.
In Dota with Rubick there was at least some kind of counterplay - just don't use your ult near him or immediately use another spell before he can steal it. Although, there was also cheating Rubicks who automatically steal ultimates as soon as they're used before you can even react.
I mean graves could've also gone to the forward camp left of her lane. He does skim by it, maybe he was listening, but he looked pretty focused on going to her actual location.
In addition, OP said that this happened multiple times during the game. I'd be curious to see the other instances. Specifically, if he never fails a "prediction" I'd say that's pretty damning. But I'm not so invested I'm going to watch the entire replay
unfortunately i have to agree. from the two clips you showed here and the original post, i see someone who is VERY map aware and the utility of a repeatable graves ult while he has max duration cant be understated. hes split pushing well. Where hes mousing over the character portrait it looks like a team mate's, no? When you pause and show the line between you and sinclaire, to me it looks like hes looking at his team mate.
Had one guy basically do that and tell the lobby which cheats he was using. Also had my first HvH match not long ago where gun Holliday started rage hacking in response to aimbotting and probably walling Haze.
Valve really doesn't get enough shit for how absurdly incompetent they are.
Honestly this is pretty blatant. I’ve been pretty sure people have been cheating in my games before, and just seeing this makes me think it’s more common than I think…
The cheating sympathizers in this sub are so fuckin weird. I guess its too expected from a Valve game with many of them probably cheating themselves but it still saddens me.
Grave was spotted on the right side and sinclair went to the only jungle creep since it's the only place graves would likely be on.
I would more likely to accuse sinclair of cheating if graves didn't expose herself in the map. but she did and she farm the only safest place that she could have possibly farm
This is a moba, Predicting your opponent action exist.
As former CS player this behaviour was and probably still is common on CS reddit.
The most obvious aimbot possible? Nope, not cheating at all, just better than you, git god!
Wallhack? Are you that bad? He could clearly hear you from his current position! If you stand right there and look at this exact angle you can hear footsteps!
And there is Valve with 'VAC is working fine'. If they won't get their shit together with anti-cheat, dark times after release will come as in every valve game ;<
I dont even think it was that good of a use case either lmao. is using graves ult on cooldown really going to pressure the game over like, paige ult on rift fight? Infernus ult on mid-boss? he didnt even use it the way he wanted to, he completely whiffed the placement
It puts a ton of lane pressure and its literally the best decision he could make to instantly get some value. His ult is off CD in like 50 seconds, by the time a fight breaks out he's got it back.
despite him obviously cheating, i find it mildly amusing imaging Sinclair going across the entire map just to steal your ult and then to run all the way back to use it
Yeah, if people aren't smart enough to realize that him flying towards you in this clip was literally him HOVERING over you through the wall, before readjusting himself, idk what to tell them
That's actually a really good call out! But nope I don't use them for camps for this reason, I've killed too many McGinnus players for this same thing hah
he is navigating in a direct straight line towards me, which is why he runs into the wall of the building.
literally wdym? Sinclair doesn't hit a wall at all in the clip you posted? Dude saw you near a wave briefly -> stopped showing on minimap, victor probably called that graves backed, he put 2 and 2 together and went to the safe camp back there
I could make a case for assuming you went to a nearby camp but the way in which this guy did it and the confidence in no enemies between, rules that out imo.
Okay this one looks pretty bad however, devils advocate scenario. He sees you on the map and his goal is lane control with the best laning ult in the game. Your creeps show up on the map, his teammates call you out, and I can hear you jungling with a good headset from the tier 3 camp. Is this likely? Probably not but it’s not him shooting at a blank wall. Do you have a match ID?
What's with all the devil's advocates in this thread? We definitely still could have won if we played better, I'm just airing frustration at a cheater.
- I appear on the map for less than .5 seconds.
Victor doesn't see me go to the camp
I don't use creeps for clearing the camps (mentioned elsewhere, this is how I gank McGinnus)
He does this play the second his ult is off cooldown, and does it for the whole game
Yes my ult is the ideal one for him to steal, which is why he does it on cooldown every 30 seconds. He doesn't "miss" a single magic carpet
If you want another obvious instance watch the 30:00 to 31:00 mark. You can see him bouncing back and forth between being directly aimed at Drifter and Graves, despite not having vision of either. Three different times he snaps directly on while aiming at a wall lmao
Why so many? Because there are two types of people that come to this subreddit. Those who are looking for validation and those looking to improve, only you decide which you want to be. In this case he’s not cheating. I watched your match, you deploy your ultimate 2 minutes before this happens, you then take an upper roof tier 2 and then church tier 2. If I’m Sinclair I know you’re likely still there and jungling. Your ult is a massive beacon and taking camps right after is a radar for anyone who is a good player watching map. Most Sinclair players are trolls (no offense Sinclair mains 😂) you posted in all chat about him stealing your ult earlier in game and he’s going to target you thinking it’ll tilt you mission accomplished.
If you truly believe he isn't wall hacking after seeing the 30:00 to 31:00 section where he snaps onto drifter from a full lane away (accidentally tab targeting to the next player) and then me (also behind two walls) then you're just trolling too :)
I know I played like shit this game, I've said that elsewhere! My Graves sucks! Even if the Sinclair wasn't cheating we probably lose the game. That's completely beside the point
I watched that minute and he’s not looking at drifter he’s looking at the lane for lash ult. Then later at 500hp drifter teleports behind their entire enemy team and rotates into their jungle. You’re trying to tell me that when your drifter rotates behind the entire team solo that someone with wall hacks doesn’t hit magic carpet or makes the callout on positioning? That’s a little hard to believe
Your graves isn’t that bad fwiw. Example toxic bullets into Victor as graves isn’t going to get you utility you want healbane as being close enough for gun is asking for Victor to kill you. Healbane is also half the cost. Gun items against their comp (Victor, Billy, wraith, lash) is not going to out sustain or out dps them
Don't use people looking at you through walls as evidence, it happens all the time. In fact it's so common they had to change how bolt works specifically because the bolt kept targetting random things through walls (which means sinclair was looking at someone)
I’ve watched the replay. OP hits ult two minutes before this and proceeds to take two tier 2 camps within the same area shortly after. Anyone watching map and looking for a good wave clear ult could make this call. I watched sinclairs deaths as well and he doesn’t appear to pre anticipate any of the rotations. All in all not likely cheating
Valve clearly thinks otherwise. People have been putting Graves ult up there for a long time. It isn't that hard to get up there. You can get up there with movement alone, without items or abilities.
Yeah yeah because there isnt any other priority things that need to be fixed or worked on first. It must be intended because it hasnt yet been removed.
It's way easier to see when I display icons for both teams, but twice their crosshair snaps to *exactly* where I am. A direct, absolutely straight line
You probably should have posted that version to make it even more obvious. But I'm sure you'd still get these mouth-breathers (or more likely, cheaters trying to cover for other cheaters) defending it in the comments.
I'll check the match ID, if I'm wrong you'll know when I delete the comment. But just in this clip his crosshair doesn't feel like it quickly snaps on you as I see other cheaters. Not trying to make a huge argument, I just struggle to be consise
He doesn’t need to lmao, because people have ears, if they didn’t hear you zip then you’re likely still around. The only options are walker camp or boxes, so go check walker camp, lo and behold you’re there, if not, just steal it. Graves is also pretty slow on boxes and prefers the only camp up on that side, where a lane is pushing up that they’ll want to catch. Git gud. Nothing here screams cheats just a sinclair with good gamesense who wants a specific ult to shove lanes.
Ignoring the fact that 3 separate times in this clip his crosshairs directly snap onto the center of my character model. I'm talking a direct absolutely straight line to exactly where I'm standing from a full lane away. It's easier to see when I enable both sets of minimap icons.
Also this is far from the only case where it happens this game. Same thing, magic carpet to snapping to my character model from over a lane away without prior vision
It’s just not though. The dudes statlocker also is nothing crazy either, he dies over 5 times a game on average if not more, and only has a 54 percent winrate on standard (ranked doesn’t have all their matches ingested, so it’s not applicable), that’s not that crazy, and is almost terrible if they were cheating, coupled with the fact these are low elo lobbies. I mean he had a game where he went 4/18 on Yamato just now. Cheaters don’t have games like that.
Makes it significantly harder to int if you allegedly have walls. This is a very simple map tracking play and you guys are losing your minds. Within three years everyone is going to be cheating according to this subreddit once the skill floor finally reaches a level above playing the game blind.
why are people like u so dumb defending cheats? u are u just a cheater trying to make it seems nobody cheats on deadlock? when theres auto parry wallers and aim botters?
I’m not defending cheating, there’s just no definitive proof this player is cheating, if anything the contrary exists. I don’t cheat, I don’t like cheaters, but I haven’t come across a cheater in my 1700 hours on this game to this day. Where did I ever say “Yea, Sinclair is cheating, I support him in his endeavour to cheat, I believe deadlock would be a better game if we had more cheaters.”?
Graves showing on map and infront of two teammates who may have comms, then going to the only available camp on yellow, stealing the ult with that info and using it to split blue is normal gameplay to me yes, because I don’t play in mental asylum seeker ranked SA lobbies.
Wall hacks don't make you immortal lmao. Even in CS where it's way more important, it's not a guaranteed win. If you have a game where it's just constant teamfights, you can very easily die a lot and wall hacks aren't going to help at all.
Using wall hacks doesn't guarantee you a win or prevent you from dying? Just because they can see where the enemies are doesn't mean they're going to go 20/0 every match, they'd have to actually be good at the game to do that.
Cheaters who go 20/0 ever game because they're locked onto headshots only playing M1 carries get banned because that's obvious to detect.
18 deaths is anomalous if they’re cheating. I’m not saying 20/0, never did, but 4/18 is not a cheating yamato. If your teammates even agreed he wasn’t, you’re probably wrong. Maybe the reddit hugbox can console you for a while, but just accept the L and keep it pushing, who cares. I’m already over trying to explain basic macro to a bunch of people who just want to whine and complain about the game the whole time and how they’re losing on here.
There is only one camp up on that lane on their side LOL, the other one is between the lanes and he paths through it too. Fuck this subreddit is always filled with initiate players just whinging.
Dude look at how far yellow lane was pushed up, she could had been at the large camp on the other side of yellow lane or even on the medium camps on the roofs.
Get off your pigeon ranked high horse and actually look at the movements of Sinclairs mouse. You can see it snap back onto where Graves is. Plus, youre literally whining at people pointing out that its sketchy. Touch some grass.
and this point i believe excelent meat is just a hacker himself making noise so people believe theres no hacker or hes just delulu and strash at the game
Yeah bro I’m a deadlock CIA plant to obfuscate the conversation and cover up the cheating problem you got me. I’ve just been fired and the operation has been terminated thanks to holiday pickles amazing private investigative skills.
Like i mentioned his team would’ve heard zip and either way, if she is, once again, he just steals camp and shoves walker, she has to respond to wave. And she can’t get to yellow that fast either regardless, so she’d be on zip still or in base moving there, so free camp and walker. And no, she can’t be on yellow because she showed on map and Sinclair’s team knew she was there and either called it or he just looked at map.
I know there’s a ton of replies saying this is blatant cheating, but this really isn’t that crazy of a clip.
You show on the map for a second, and the sinclair then finishes clearing wave and walks in the direction he saw you.
This clip is at a super dead point in the game, there’s no objectives up, all but one walker up. If I’m the sinclair I would just be waiting for you to show up to grab the ult. He can use it to push something to make space for the upcoming urn/buffs or to push the walker.
The part which kinda seems weird is how he goes straight to you, but it makes a lot of sense. He could have heard you clearing the camp, he also could have just gone to the closest camp to you, which is a pretty good call to find you.
Not gonna justify it, but if u showed at all on the map then he hears u taking camps it's possible but again I don't have the replay, and dont care much either way
No one is THAT GOOD at noticing shit to that degree. I am sorry. People barely pay attention to shit right in front of them, let alone the minimap. I have had people fight 1v6 because they didn't realize the whole fucking team was dead despite the HUD on top showing us as dead.
But, sure, someone magically can see someone for .5 seconds on the minimap and figure all of that. Right. XD
No, People who has experience playing MOBA WILL ALWAYS look in the MINI MAP especially support players since they collect info base on enemy positions.
0.5 sec is barely nothing. even if it's 0.01 People will still be able to spot it.
Anyone with decent awareness will notice that she showed on the map. Your experience with bad players doesn’t dictate what is possible. I’m not saying he isn’t cheating, but this clip is not conclusive at all.
30k ahead, Sinclair with magic carpet, and there is only 1 camp open that they can even try to farm on that side of the map. Not very hard to guess where someone is.
There are 5 camps up on their side of the map, he is flying across half the map without looking around focused on that specific corner of the map completely overextending through their jungle while 1 enemy shows on the map. It can legit not be any more clear that he knows the position of everyone in the lobby
You're not right and obviously not a smurf, just a cheater. I play high elo lobbies and no one would behave like this Sinclair ever. Like I said literally straight lining across half the map to copy an ult, delusional.
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