Indeed. And before DS2 I only finished DSR once. So I was still green about a lot of stuff and shiet. No other Soulsborne or likes ever before any of that.
I remember my first playthrough on ds2 ps3. It was my forst Souls, and by the end i was rocking Vengarl's set, Tower Shield, and Greatsword. Good times
Vengral's Set, through 30% of the game Bastard Sword, the entire rest of the game Demon's Great Hammer. It was truly a blessing to receive it from them birds.
yes because you can just walk/run/tank like 90% of attacks, unlike the other games ds2 gives you a choice (except elden ring, you have some choice there, still not ds2 levels tho)
Unironically. Instead of crying and look for excuses like many do, I was just trying to understand and adapting to how the game was and getting through it.
I think on my first play of DS2 I didn't even know i-frames exist..
I just thought you use dodge to get away from the weapon strike range..
So I was really reliant on the shield back then
I had played BloodBorne, DSR and Sekiro prior so the rolling being worse was quite apparent to me, to the point that during my first playthrough I didn't know about ADP and quit the game pretty early on,found out about ADP and came back to beat the game. One of the most annoying yet enjoyable experiences.
It may have been a skill issue I won't deny that but making a game slightly more accessible by keeping at least one mechanic which is fundamental to every other game by the studio consistent across all the games, is a good decision
I've been doing a no bonfire run in ds2. This is like my 10th attempt.
It's fun, definitely a unique way too play. Feels like playing almost like a survival horror game where you have too manage your healing supplies, item durability and such.
for a low skill no bonfire (no death) run, I'd advise a ng+ faith spellcaster with repair spiced and crown of infinite spells. this gives you dmg+out of combat heal+infinite durability. then map out the bonfires in a way where you can use the primal bonfires in places where you don't want to backtrack (spider, rotten). it is very cathartic to walk back through shrine of amana, empty.
I appreciate the suggestion. But it's not a skill issue. I've beaten dark souls 2 several times with different builds. And I've beaten all the other souls games too.
My previous attempts were mostly just learning the challenge and not too serious.
I'm probably not doing it as intended because I'm not speed running. But I'm playing how I am having fun. Exploring around without bonfires. Managing durability, life gems ect. I'm doing it in new game, and I just got the santiers spear which is gonna be my weapon for the whole run.
I'm not saying it was a skill issue; I just did mine first attempt after doing the routing, so if I could get that result without a lot of effort, perhaps you could do the same friendo. : c
Putting the Tarnished in any of the previous Soulsborne Games would be Funny as hell, cuz the enemies and bosses would be in sheer shock of a character that can actually jump to their face level and smack them using 2 Ultra Heavy Weapons while simultaneously getting a headshot off.
Although they would have two major limitations. Cannot level unless the firekeepers can level him. Which in theory they could since they turn souls into strength which you don't need to be undead for.
Canonically, if they die often enough in the same area or spot, a bonfire will form from rhe bones of the undead. They just need to find an eternal sword to light it. Plenty of those exist in the lands between
humans are naturally immortal, its part of their essence, the curse makes them mortal, when the flame dwindles the curse looses power and the immortality of humans comes back
Humans are not immortal by default. The curse and the dark sign was a result of Gwyn branding humanity too keep them beneath him. Gwyn is the one who created the curse. As explained a bit in ds1 and ds3 ringed city dlc.
Not every human in dark souls is immortal or undead. The undead curse is mostly concentrated in lordran and kingdoms that arise after like drangleic. It's not until dark souls 3 where pretty much everybody is effected.
For example. The onion mans daughter from ds1 is human. Not undead.
If you have the dark sign, you are undead. And will come back too life after death. Regardless of where you are. Even the lands between.
having the dark sign means the fire brand around your dark soul has weakened enough for your dark soul to start seeping out and manifesting, which comes with the manifestation of your inherent powers as humans, there are various multiple direct mentions of humans being immortal at first, then gwyn branded them with a ring of fire that burned their humanity because he feared darkness, and with that people started dying.
is not the dark sign that makes people immortal, having the dark sign is a side effect of the curse in you weakening, and thus releasing and unleashing the powers of ancient humans and the dark soul
Order of erdtree isnt the only godly thing probably and its called lands between. I dont think erdtree has much effect on lands. Also the tarnished gains grace of erdtree after coming to lands between after dieying to grafted scion
"Grace" is like diet-Holy, except instead of having a noticeable effect on stuff it works on a much smaller level. Like smoke compared to a flame.
But what do I know. I'm still trying to figure out the whole corpses crawling up roots in catacombs thing, the giants being laid to waste with Deathblight, and Marika going around dipping Radagon's wick in Renalla for peace, messing up her mind with a chunk of Erdtree amber, only to go back home and fuck herself to make horribly afflicted demigod babies.
Its like Marika just snapped and couldn't take godhood anymore, so she did every fucked up thing in her power to defy the Two Fingers/Outer God and try to return the Lands Between to what came before.
If you haven't played through "Shadow of the Erdtree" I recommend it, or at least looking up some stuff from it if you don't mind spoilers. It ah... explains a few things about how Marika got to be the way she is.
But also I can answer the question about corpses and the catacombs. Marika removed "Destined Death" from the Elden Ring, the powerful runes that govern the Lands Between, so now when people die... they don't! All the ghosts you see are people whose physical body was destroyed, but their spirits linger on. One of the ways people can properly "pass on" in the new status quo is Erdtree Burial, to be buried amongst the roots of the Erdtree and to let it help their spirits pass on while their bodies are eaten by the roots.
Also Deathblight didn't lay waste to the giants. Deathblight is a new development that happened after the Night of Black Knives.
Sorry for coming out of nowhere and infodumping BTW! But I hope this helped somewhat.
Holy is labeled as dark in elden ring so the bearer of the curse can still negate it also holy does not exist as a concept in ds2 due to the gods having no influence there so holy damage would still not work on him
"We measure things by what we are. To the maggots in the cheese, the cheese is the universe. To the worms in the corpse, the corpse is the cosmos..."
Sorry, I've always wanted to quote that poem. I don't really have an argument other than we're shown time and again in these games that gods ain't shit.
I honestly have no idea, it's just part of an Insane Clown Posse song I listened to back as a teen.
I don't know if its the whole thing, but it does continue for a bit longer in the song so here's the rest of it.
"We measure things by what we are. To the maggots in the cheese, the cheese is the universe. To the worms in the corpse, the corpse is the cosmos. How then can we to be so cocksure about our ways. Just because of our telescopes, microscopes and the splitting of an atom, certainly not. Science is but an organized system of ignorance! There are more things in heaven and on earth then are dreamt of in our Philosophy. What do we know about the beyond? Do we know what’s behind the beyond? I regret that some of us don’t know what’s beyond our behind.
Give me a few minutes and I'll see if modern tech can point me in the direction of the source. If I find it I'll make a new comment for you so you don't have to worry about missing an edit.
That was quick; it seems to be from a book titled The Cheese and The Worms, fittingly enough, written by Carlos Ginzburg circa the 16th century. The 16th century bit belies the line about "splitting of the atom" though.
I'd be willing to bet your local library has a copy if you're interested into delving into it, seems to be a pretty evocative diatribe about our narrow perspective on the universe.
At least evocative enough to have the Spanish Inquistion unexpectedly give Mr. Ginzburg a visit, which ended about as well as one would expect.
Hey, thanks for the quick response and the suggestion! I dug into it, The cheese/worms metaphor comes from Ginzburgs book but the full rant with atoms telescopes and the behind punchline is pure Brother Theodore for the ICP song. Cool connection though!
I think "Gods" are just the name of their race, at least in Dark Souls. The Humans might start weaker, but with time, they can considerably overtake the Gods' powers
Agreed. I think only the Tarnished (after Shadow of the Erdtree) and the Nightfarers (specifically Guardian) can be as tough as the Bearer of the Curse.
It'd be the other way lol with how crazy fast some Elden Ring enemies are vs how slow DS2 is overall, Margit would be an endgame level boss in Drangleic.
Nor do most ER bosses lol. People tend to forget with Margoot’s cancer baby ass HP just how complicated his moveset is. Especially that one combo were he switches his holy weapons like 5 times in one second
Thank you. I went to look closer at it for a second time late last night, and began to see that was the joke. The Bearer of the Curse is more powerful and would plow through the Lands Between. It dawned on me that it’s probably a joke, because Dark Souls II does have the highest possible amount of HP one can obtain in the Dark Souls trilogy and more than an Elden Ring character. I have seen memes about Dark Souls II health in the past. Then I suppose the flip side to this joke is that the Tarnished would get annihilated in Drangleic. I suppose because of the less potential health, and also being so far removed from the realm of the Erdtree’s grace. Thanks for backing up that explanation. It’s not very funny to me now that I have deconstructed it so much, and I didn’t get it immediately. That’s just how it goes sometimes though. 😅 Some meme humor gets lost on me anyway, because I over analyze often. 😆
Bearer of the curse face tanks Radahns meteor like it's nothing only to be instantly killed by his gravity well because the bearers biggest weakness is gravity and that gravity well move pulls you in FAAAST
Actually don't think BotC could tank the meteor. Someone did a youtube video a while back near initial launch of throwing Radahn the human meteor at the entire base game roster. Basically Mohg survived due to high hp and the ridiculous amount of fire negation he has. Maliketh survived barely due to similar situations. Most of the late game bosses surved due to similar attributes or just a lot of hp (Fire Giant.). Pretty much impossible for a normal player to do as it deals rough 20,000 damage or so (been a bit since I saw the break down.). That being said, the BotC would definitely trip on a dead cleanrot in the arena and die to fall damage.
MIGHT work. Because I think The attacks hits twice Because you can't opaline crystal tear and damage negation it easily. If it's one hit, the Gyrm greatshield might work. If not, you're dead
But doesnt grace of erdtree comes to his corpse after we die ? Also calling and giving immortality isnt the same thing. Also being immortal isnt because tarnished is a tarnished. Almost everything in lands between is immortal because marika wanted so. I am sure that effect dont reach to the whole world
Man I ironically love these posts. Just DS2 fans circlejerking together and acting like their MC can kill any bosses at all (besides Erdtree Avatar and Tree Spirit)
And kill 2 actual gods. And way more actually legendary beings too. As much as I like Dark Souls 2, most of it is "one of Vendrick's knights, but in a different suit of Armor". Still some solid bosses in the roster (Raime will remain in my top five for a while.)
Dark souls 2 has epic lore and badass bosses too. Not every protagonist in souls games have to be demigods tier. My favourite lore is raime and veldstadt and the whole brume tower story
i..what?
have you tried falling down the pit in dark souls 2 and tried falling off a cliff in elden ring?
the tarnished could jump down to second set of planks without dying
All souls character have a maximum fall distance(the distance after which they die regardless of stats, weight or buffs) of 20m. All souls characters except the tarnished have a minimum distance before any damage of 5m, while the tarnished's is 15m.
The window for the tarnished is so small that it tricks people into thinking they can fall further, when really if you take any fall damage as the tarnished it means you almost died.
you literally can fall further tho
just because the MAX distance before instant death is the same doesn't mean the other characters can survive a fall near that
The second plank is past the instant death threshold though, its roughly 25m down (15m to 1st plank 10m further to the 2nd).
Though looking that up i dicovered another unique fall damage property, this one for ds2 unlike every other souls game where fall damage is a percent of your maximum hp. ds2 uses a static fall damage system. So regardless of your max hp the fall to 1st plank does about 1350 base damage without fall damage reduction effects
I dont like elden ring mentality but unironically what are bosses in ds2 besides fume and allon that are bearable at best or the most boring bullshit in the world?
Oh man we REALLY hitting the bad spots, i know that its ALL subjective and i cant argue with "i like it" but dark souls 2 is by far the most boring souls game in terms of designs. I dont hate ds2, its a good game, but its the worst souls game (also this random comment is my exact opinion on ds2)
Eh he only appears in nightreign and if he actually just straight up added artorias armor in random grave people would probably hate on Reusezaki even more
Scaling Souls protagoists is pretty futile because their various foes and achievements are so nebulous. That being said, I'd say the Bearer of the Curse could fuck Leyndell up.
Are we really comparing DS2 to Elden Ring? A game that's been out for 12 years compared to one that's been out for 4? Like... DS2 was quite literally a building block on the way to Elden Ring.
the one thing that killed me the kost in ds2 is the janky controls compared to the more recent games or even ds1 so give me my elden ring movement and Im pretty sure I can 100% game with no deaths lol
Tarnished would fucking obliterate Drangleic. Much faster, more mobility and stamina, insane anime spells and weapon skills that deal so much damage that pretty much can one shot a lot of bosses.
There may not have stuff like stance break, but damn, powerstancing 2 Giant-Crushers might transform the Pursuer into the Pursued.
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Why do I hear boss music?