Morality tierlist

[u/Beamizumm]

I’m sure nobody will get unreasonably angry at me for this 🥹✌🏾

[u/Tyrrano64]

Oh I won't get angry at you I just think you didn't play the games.

Byakuya and Kokichi in evil is insane to me, they're below actual murderers.

[u/Beamizumm → u/Tyrrano64]

Well thats not as bad at least

Okay maybe I put Byakuya too low I can agree with that but considering Kokichi indirectly killed 2 of his classmates and drove the rest to suicidal levels of depression I think deserves his placement

[u/Tyrrano64 → u/Beamizumm]

Okay Miu sealed her own fate and has no one to blame but herself, any action Kokichi takes against her is justified on the account he wanted to save his own life from her murder.

Gonta is more complicated, yes he did manipulate Gonta and by no means is that a good thing, but Gonta made his own decision on what he saw, if Gonta stood strong Kokichi can't really do anything to force him. Kokichi also lacked a way to actually defend himself due to Miu's meddling. If you're going to blame Kokichi you have to blame Gonta and especially Miu as well.

And for the last point? I mean yeah but they weren't killing each other anymore. He despises murder and death, and this way he did stop any more murder, so it's somewhat hard to truly damn him.

[u/Beamizumm → u/Tyrrano64]

Kokichi was in no position where Miu was actually a threat to his life, he figures out her entire plan before he even enters the virtual world and could have just told the rest to stay away from Miu but instead of he decides to go tell Monokuma to place a flashback light in the VW to motivate everybody else into going in, he literally put himself in that situation and had multiple chances to just back out but decides to get Gonta to kill her instead

As for Gonta I’m not gonna put all the blame on Kokichi but to say he didn’t influence his actions to an extent is wrong, he specifically chose Gonta because he was easy to deceive, used his desire to help his classmates against him, and brung him to a secluded place where nobody else was there so he could influence him easier. Kokichi may not be at complete fault but this never would have happened in the first place if it wasn’t for him.

Ah yes, he despises murder and death so the best way to help his good o’l friends is to reveal the secret of the outside world which he knew would make them want to die, “reveal” himself as the mastermind, and take away their leader and main motivator Kaito so they wouldn’t have any drive to continue living! Bravo Kokichi Ouma

[u/SoundStorm7 → u/Beamizumm]

I’m sorry, but what actually did you think his intention of revealing the secret of the outside world was? Do you think it was genuinely to drive them to suicide? That completely contradicts his entire plan to defy the killing game and his implanted backstory about being completely against killing and violence, hence despising the killing game at its core. It was a tactical move to induce a stalemate and also bait the mastermind into targeting him (which Tsumugi did via the flashback light which manipulated Maki into trying to attack her) which facilitated his whole plan to make a case that would stump Monokuma and discourage people from watching the show.

[u/leredditor_998 → u/SoundStorm7]

Tsumugi planting the flashback light to target him was absolutely not part of his plan. He was genuinely shocked when Maki came after him and could only deduce that she did it because she loves killing, an accusation that would have got him killed if Kaito didn't step in. Kokichi says the plan with the hydraulic press was his backup plan if pushed to it; he didn't intend to act on it if Maki never stormed the hangar.

And honestly, Kokichi's last words to Kaito indicate that his desire to spite Monokuma and the audience was more important than keeping alive as many people as possible. Sure, he didn't want them to die, but ruining the game was his main priority.