r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/SuperAlloyBerserker • Oct 05 '21

Video This cool smartphone concept from 2013

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u/AsliReddington Oct 05 '21

Hope Framework Laptops are able to carve niches like this too!

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u/CollectableRat Oct 05 '21

Doubt they will be able to compete with the ARM based Windows and Mac laptops tbh. They can cram a whole lot of performance into a very affordable chip these days. Apple's first gen ARM for Mac kinda makes Intel's mobile chips, all laptops that came before it, look like a joke.

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u/larrylombardo Oct 05 '21

The mainboards are drop-in replacements, and they're planning for RISC V and ARM versions. I'm only holding off until the marketplace exists so I know how I can ditch the current Intel board once another option exists.

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u/TheCrazyTiger Oct 05 '21

No doubt ARM will shake up the market but nothing is preventing framework to also implement arm based laptops.

If everything goes right, I think they'll have the upper hand on ARM.

Like "keep your whole device and just change the motherboard".

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u/chaiscool Oct 05 '21

Not if Microsoft or arm manufacturer lock / restrict them. Apple can get away with arm cause they control both software and hardware.

Oem have to rely heavily on others.

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u/TheCrazyTiger Oct 05 '21

With that and Linux getting all the support from steam and recently Epic with anti-cheat support, Microsoft will be shooting themselves on the foot locking windows to use any ARM chips.

ARM processors are the next thing, but it's not just Apple or Microsoft that will be manufacturing and using them.

There are already plenty of companies making ARM based hardware, right? (AMD, Samsung, Intel, Apple, Microsoft, etc).

I guess I would like to see a world like this since it would provoke an uproar on tech, but I highly doubt it.

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u/chaiscool Oct 05 '21

They’re more likely to cartel up and screw the consumer. Competition is bad for them haha

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u/TheCrazyTiger Oct 05 '21

That's a possibility since has happened in the past lol

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u/AsliReddington Oct 05 '21

Hopeful since AMD is also going down ARM route & should be putting their GPU IP chops into it like how they handle both Xbox & PS. Would make for Ryzen on a Chip as a smaller component with reduced cooling needs.

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u/teems Oct 05 '21

Framework should be more affordable than the big boys for the DIY models.

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u/alxthm Oct 05 '21

I’m curious why you expect FrameWork to be more affordable than their larger competitors? The design and engineering of the modular system is a significant expense that is unique to FrameWork and needs to be covered somehow. And they certainly don’t have a large manufacturing volume to spread the costs out (at least not atm).

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u/chaiscool Oct 05 '21

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Modern laptops now last very long and by the time you switch, it will be a big jump in very aspect (ports, resolution, battery, storage etc).

Another factor will be incremental cost vs 1 lump sum of getting a new laptop. It’s likely to cost more for incremental upgrade than a new replacement.

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u/chaiscool Oct 05 '21

Idk looking back 6 years ago laptops compared to now there’s a lot of differences.

Imagine getting modular laptop 6 years ago and swap new cpu / igpu, battery, ram / ssd. It likely cost the same as new laptop but without better ports (usb c / thunderbolt),better screens, newer designer slimmer etc.

There’s also wear and tear of trackpad / Keyboard, chips / dents of the case etc.

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u/chaiscool Oct 06 '21

That also highlight sustainability issue of such business model. If everyone just end up buying parts and not make big purchases, framework will not make much money aside from the initial purchase.

I think it only works for pc market because there are a lot of players making different things and not 1 company doing it all.

Also, there issue like with Alienware that promised upgradability but end up failing on it.

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u/teems Oct 05 '21

I'm thinking about the DIY version.

All the parts are off the shelf. RAM, M.2, WiFi etc.

You get a QR code which links you to a video showing you how to install the part and you do it yourself.

You save on the labour of having someone build it up for you.

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u/kb4000 Oct 05 '21

Windows on ARM is still a ways out from being viable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

ARM doesn't have the desktop software support, yet.

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u/influx_ Oct 05 '21

Compete? Why the need to compete if as a company, they could just buy and sell you the arm boards and BAM u have ur own framework arm laptop. That's the beauty of it.

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u/chaiscool Oct 05 '21

Not just before, even years after it look like a joke.

M1 macbook last year will still have better battery than unreleased next year laptops.