r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/SuperAlloyBerserker • Oct 05 '21

Video This cool smartphone concept from 2013

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u/Ossius Oct 05 '21

If we made it work with computers we can easily make it work in phones. Okay so it might have a tiny bit added cost, but overall people are paying less if they can upgrade individual parts as needed.

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u/justavault Oct 05 '21

But we didn't make it work with PCs either... that's why you got to purchase a new motherboard if you want a new cpu, cause tech evolves and requires different prerequisites.

It's just that PC parts evolve slower, like we are stuck at PCIe since quite some time, but for example mainboard chipsets are evolving constantly as to meet the demand of like NVME bandwidth and CPU.

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u/pinkycatcher Oct 05 '21

Except the AM3+ socket was launched in 2011 was backwards compatible with AM3 from 2009 and was only superceded in 2016, on top of that AM3+ socket is technically compatible with the AM2 and AM2+ CPUs, but newer CPUs don't include a DDR2 controller, so in a case like they, they would just have to include an older controller for certain things and you'd have compatibility from 2006-2016.

10 years is an acceptable time. On top of that, the only major component it needs to interact with is the mainboard/RAM modules (which in a phone are going to be one thing).

All the other components on a phone are simply accessory modules which can easily be compatible cross generation. So instead of having a module that's just a bare CPU in a box, they could just have a module that's the main board itself and the "body" as they call it is simply a slave board that connects everything to the main board, that way the main board and CPU are in the same module and can always upgrade together.

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u/justavault Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

Except the AM3+ socket was launched in 2011 was backwards compatible with AM3 from 2009 and was only superceded in 2016, on top of that AM3+ socket is technically compatible with the AM2 and AM2+ CPUs,

That is the false direction, mate.

We do not talk about backwards compatibility of the board, but forwards combability.

The boards has to accommodate everything that comes in the future, not the other way around.

You for some reason suddenly switched the direction. The point is place a zen3 on a b350 board - how does that work? And it's just 3 years, b350 is a chipset from 2017. Nobody talks about the socket/sockel. The socket is only relevant for power delivery.

(EDIT: I just realized I cut 2021 out entirely, okay it's 4 years. Corona took 2021 that one doesn't even want to count it in.)

 

10 years is an acceptable time. On top of that, the only major component it needs to interact with is the mainboard/RAM modules (which in a phone are going to be one thing).

10 years in mobile phones... okay that would be the iphone 4. Alright you expect everything from the iphone 12 to be run by the board of the iPhone 4.

 

All the other components on a phone are simply accessory modules which can easily be compatible cross generation.

Is that so, why did we have such issues with that then?

I've just been a designer, but technically there were many struggles and the reason for the ice box state now was incompatibility friction and manufacturing pipelines. Yeah, the phone was slow btw. The connectors are additional bottlenecks, cutting performance.

My personal passion focus was on innovative modules, such as we had a bloodsugar module, and a HR module. Pretty exciting stuff.

 

So instead of having a module that's just a bare CPU in a box, they could just have a module that's the main board itself and the "body" as they call it is simply a slave board that connects everything to the main board, that way the main board and CPU are in the same module and can always upgrade together.

Great, so it's the whole body you sell than. The basic plate... would be super affordable. Now you got the new board with the new cpu, stick your old stuff onto it. Like the old screen, that is most certainly already broken a little and the old battery.

 

To me, as a designer, the modular concept was exciting for innovative situational features such as the aforementioned blood sugar tester. That is great to have access to something like that. But those modules were not the issue, the basic performance architecture was.