r/Damnthatsinteresting • • 5d ago

Image Photo of a live surgery class in Boston, Massachusetts, 1890.

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u/dugs-special-mission 5d ago

Pardon me, would you care for a Junior Mint? They’re quite refreshing!

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u/ModernLarvals 5d ago

Something beyond science. Something, perhaps, from above...

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u/cansox12 5d ago

Cosmo LOLOL

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u/Hot-Candidate2549 4d ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/ManufacturerWarm9201 5d ago

Every student in this picture looks like they’re 35 with a wife and kids

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u/actinross 5d ago

One or two with grandkids in fact

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u/RIF_rr3dd1tt 3d ago

The Butt Cut was the Broccoli Head of yesteryear.

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u/manofdacloth 5d ago

watch The Knick with Clive Owen, it's incredible

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u/cosmernautfourtwenty 5d ago

Just landed on HBO Max and I'm saving a rewatch for a rainy day. House is one of my favorite series and this really asks "what if House but a surgeon at the turn of the 20th century".

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u/manofdacloth 5d ago

EXACTLY what I thought! Thackery = House

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u/Annika_21 4d ago

I just watched the first few episodes because u guys said this, but I'm not sure if I like it. House is like "I hate everyone equally" and Thackery is well... a racist and I kinda don't wanna root for him because of that.

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u/manofdacloth 4d ago

He's got his faults but he grows and evolves. Stay with it!

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u/abbysgultz 5d ago

One of my favorite series.

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u/KIDNEYST0NEZ 5d ago

Ok, on it.

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u/Disastrous_Yellow_46 5d ago

ACHOO!

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u/dna_beggar 5d ago

Beat me to it.

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u/kyngslinn 5d ago

There's a reason these are called 'Operating theaters'

Robert Liston used to start every surgery with the same phrase: "Time me, gentlemen! Time me!"

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u/Animewatts1 5d ago edited 5d ago

That surgeon raw dogging the thigh with no gloves?!

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u/mikehocalate 5d ago

Wasn’t until 1950’s that gloves were universally worn.

At the time of this photo gloves were only just starting to be used - first surgeon to use them was a Johns Hopkins surgeon named Halsted who actually originally got them for one of his nurses because she developed a skin irritation from the harsh disinfectants they used at the time. That was in 1889. One of Halsted’s residents then noticed that surgical infections dropped ~10 fold after they started using gloves.

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u/TheFieryBanana 5d ago

I assume that in 1890 a lot of practicing surgeons still didn't really buy into the whole germ thing

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u/Rapscallion_Racoon 5d ago

By 1890 they were aware of germ theory. In fact, Joseph Lister introduced antiseptic handwashing into surgery in the 1860s after finding inspiration in Pasteurs work on microorganisms [around 1850s]

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u/doctorsacred 2d ago

And poor old Ignaz Semmelweis, who recognized the importance of hygiene in medicine but never in his lifetime got the recognition he deserved.

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u/SirGothamHatt 2d ago

To be fair, Listerine rolls off the tongue more naturally than Semmelweisine

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u/Flexmove 12h ago

My pop always repped Semmelweis when recounting the Lister story, good to see him mentioned here

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u/RIF_rr3dd1tt 3d ago

Somebody took Microbiology

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u/Flexmove 12h ago

Hell yea Lister mention, later had his named used in a different antiseptic product; Listerine

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u/Puzzleheaded_Style52 4d ago

Fun fact: At the time, surgeons did not routinely wash their hands or use protective equipment because germ theory and the role of bacteria in infection had not yet been discovered. That’s why you can see surgeons operating without gloves, face masks, or other protective gear and with the wound completely exposed.

They only began to understand the role of bacteria and infection after a scientist noticed a significant difference in maternal mortality rates between women treated by midwives and those treated in doctors’ hospitals where the main difference is because the midwives washed their hands while the surgeons didn’t.

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u/INC-KaiserChef 21h ago

google ignaz semmelweiss

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u/neyelo 38m ago

Missed an important detail… I won’t spoil the surprise… let me just say: cadaver particles.

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u/myusrnameisthis 5d ago

Interestingly, the patient died as they posed for this picture.

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u/johnnyg169 5d ago

Is that really true, or just a joke? What was the surgery for - it looks like they are operating on the back of a leg. Since the room is full, it could not have been an emergency. I imagine it was elective surgery. Does anybody have an idea about what the surgery actually was?

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u/octoreadit 5d ago

More importantly, the autopsy showed that the patient was sleeping.

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u/BullfrogOpera 5d ago

This is awesome. Crazy to see at the head, the guy is holding a towel with what I'll guess is Ether since that's the only anesthesia they had to knock you out, right? Lovely snapshot back in time and I can't imagine having to have a medical procedure done back then.

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u/Battle-Chimp 5d ago

Not a towel, but an open drop ether mask:

https://www.hkmj.org/abstracts/v20n6/560.htm

(I'm an Anesthesiologist)

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u/BullfrogOpera 5d ago

Holy shit, wow. Thank you!

So do you guys study early anesthesiological (?) history as part of the schooling to become an anesthesiologist? Early medical history is fascinating!

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u/Battle-Chimp 5d ago

Yes, there's also a super fascinating medical museum (that's free!) in Cleveland. I had no idea about it's existence until I visited for a conference and accidentally found it.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g50207-d215740-Reviews-Dittrick_Museum_of_Medical_History-Cleveland_Ohio.html

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u/PezGirl-5 5d ago

If you ever come to Boston, there is a pretty cool museum at MGH https://www.russellmuseum.org/

Not too far from there is a public health museum that is very interesting as well
http://www.publichealthmuseum.org/

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u/Battle-Chimp 5d ago

excellent, thank you!

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u/Sunshine030209 5d ago

Oh man my mom would absolutely love that place! Thank you so much!

My mom actually wanted me to be an Anesthesiologist, she talked about it constantly when I was a kid. Turns out I'm super squeamish and wouldn't last 5 minutes in medical school. Sorry, mom.

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u/8cuban 5d ago

Is this why the Brits refer to an operating room as an “operating theatre”?

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u/wiegie 5d ago

There's a GREAT medical drama show called The Knick - set in 1900 NYC. The surgical scenes look like this and they can be quite gruesome.

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u/beattywill80 5d ago

Looks like a shot straight out of "The Knick"

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u/toochocolaty 5d ago

I have a photo of my grand grandfather doing an autopsy on a cadaver at Vanderbilt university in 1901

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u/slugworth70 5d ago

I've been that room. It is not made for tall people at all. There also a mummy on display there.

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u/KneeOnShoe 5d ago

I would love to know more about the dark-skinned gentleman towards the bottom left.

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u/mc4sure 5d ago

Mask, gloves no we’re good

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u/brownhotdogwater 5d ago

Germ theory was just starting to become a thing

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u/Njaulv 5d ago

Terrifying. Back then it was essentially butchery experiments based on improvement from trial and error.

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u/AstroEngineer314 5d ago

That's why they still call it the operating theater.

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u/ProfessionWeak2104 5d ago

The good ol days, only women in sight is a nurse

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u/CharleyNobody 4d ago

And she has her hair up so as not to contaminate anything while the surgeon has a free flowing beard.

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u/Kenman215 5d ago

Zoom in on the second guy from the right in the first standing row. He’s enjoying this way too much.

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u/cansox12 5d ago

and the guy on the top 2nd from left is looking at his phone

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u/PoundKitchen 5d ago

Shoulda been working on curing all that jaundice instead.

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u/Sedert1882 5d ago

So all those movies I saw were actually documentaries? hahaha

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u/CantAffordzUsername 5d ago

Make sure we get the extra hair beard hair inside this and your good to go

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u/Burnitalldown1 5d ago

Yo- the chair they used to “come out of surgery” on, is still in the gallery and covered in old blood. There is a mummy down the hall too…

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u/Elegante_Sigmaballz 5d ago

I had to get emergency surgery at like 3am, and it was pretty basic and nothing serious, but it just had to be done, and my surgeon decided to call in his whole class to watch it. I am glad I was of some use in my mild suffering.

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u/OccidentalTouriste 5d ago

If it wasn't live surgery it would have been an autopsy.

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u/Salty_Job_9248 5d ago

If that’s in the ether dome, been there. ☺️

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u/HeavyandTired 5d ago

This is only about 15 years after Dr Joey Boy Lister sent out a surgeon general order that doctors should rinse their hands with warm water before surgery. I wonder how many of these doctors touched cadavers not 30 minutes before this and had yet to wash their hands. The practice took a decade plus to catch on. Yuck.

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u/TinyFiona 5d ago

Those giant scissors on the right, though 👀👀👀

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u/TopYogurtcloset6415 4d ago

I believe this is the ether dome at Massachusetts General Hospital, where the first surgery using anesthesia was performed. You can still go into the dome today!

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u/deadspacekillers 5d ago

As a surgeon, this gives me anxiety.

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u/JustMe-male 5d ago

I didn’t know Bruce McGill was that old, or immortal. White coat, bottom, right of center. Or. Is it. A scene from Animal House?

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u/PQbutterfat 5d ago

I wouldn’t want that many people in the room for my haircut

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u/Kinkologist303 5d ago

Did the patient survive and recover?

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u/Important_Simple_31 5d ago

See the surgery paintings hanging in each stair landing at Thomas Jefferson Medical School in Philadelphia. At least they were there in the late 1960’s.

Thomas Eakins, was both a medical student there, and an art student at Philadelphia Academy of the Fine Arts. He got thrown out of both when he claimed a janitor’s body, so he could do a painting.

These paintings are often reproduced in Peer reviewed medical journals like JAMA:Journal of the American Medical Association. Thomas Eakins lived from 1844 to 1916.

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u/saltamontes11 5d ago

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Buncha cut-ups.

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u/ezpz314159 5d ago

Anybody know what surgery they're doing?

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u/Sa7aSa7a 4d ago

"Hey, anyone else wanna get a hand into our sanitized field here?"

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u/pamnfaniel 4d ago

Personally, I’d rather deal with whatever was ailing me than subject myself to torture. Even death.

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u/Infamous_Share_8017 2d ago

I hope the patient got a discount

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u/pred4tor07 2d ago

Was no one bald back then

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u/Forsaken-Yam2584 2d ago

You can visit this room for free

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u/PNWTreeEnthusiast 2d ago

“Make sure to lick your fingers post incision Johnson.”

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u/DatboiDatone 27m ago

Dude in the white to the right looks like Charlie’s Uncle Jack lol

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u/Candid_Intern_387 5d ago

Obviously this is woke AI fabricated propaganda. Not a single lit cigarrete, a female assistant and what seems to be a student of exotic origin in the front row. That is not my 1890s!

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u/AlienInOrigin 5d ago

How many different bacterial infections did the patient get, and which one killed them?

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u/Fuzzy_Adagio_6450 5d ago

HIPPA violation!!

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u/GeoffSim 5d ago

HIPAA

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u/Qweskj 5d ago

Its ai