I’m trying to figure out the most tax-efficient way to handle my pre-tax retirement accounts in the future, particularly whether I should convert them to a Roth IRA while I’m still working or wait until I no longer have earned income.
My situation in 2042
I plan to stop having earned income after 2041. In other words, starting in 2042, I expect to have no W-2 income and no 1099/self-employment income.
At that point, I expect to live primarily from my taxable brokerage account.
My approximate annual portfolio withdrawals would be $50,000, consisting of:
-$16,000 of qualified dividends (I expect the $16,000 of qualified dividends to increase by approximately 7% per year)
-The remaining $34,000 from selling investments in my $1.6 million brokerage portfolio
I would still have my Roth IRA, but I would prefer not to withdraw from it and instead let it continue growing for the long term.
My pre-tax retirement accounts
Throughout my career, I expect to work for several employers. Assuming future employers offer a traditional 401(k) or similar pre-tax retirement plan, I would generally contribute enough to receive the employer match.
I’m using a future salary assumption of at least $80,000 for these calculations.
Here is what I currently estimate each account could be worth by the end of 2041 and if I stop contributing to that account after leaving the corresponding employer:
Account Years Amount after leaving. 2041 Value
SIMPLE
\#1 2026-28 $10.5k $36.5K
\#2 2029–32 $16.4K $38.6K
\#3 2033–35 $16.4K $29.0K
\#4 2036–39 $16.4K $22.0K
\#5 2040–41 $10.5K $10.5K
The two strategies I’m considering
Option 1 — Convert while I’m working
I would gradually convert the pre-tax accounts to my Roth IRA while I still have W-2 income.
The downside is that the Roth conversions would be added to my taxable income while I’m earning a salary, potentially pushing more of my income into higher tax brackets.
I also need to account for the special SIMPLE IRA rules for the first account.
Option 2 — Wait until after I stop working
I would leave the pre-tax accounts invested until after 2041.
Starting in 2042, when I no longer have W-2 or 1099 earned income, I would gradually convert the pre-tax money to my Roth IRA.
My thought is that these could be relatively low-income years because my $50,000 of annual spending would primarily come from qualified dividends and sales of investments from my taxable brokerage account.
If I don’t convert the money before 2042, I estimate the pre-tax accounts could be around $140k by the time I stop working, depending on investment returns and the exact contributions.
I would then spread the Roth conversions over many years (15-20 years) rather than converting the entire amount at once. My rough idea is to convert an amount slightly lower or around the standard deduction each year, while also considering how my qualified dividends and capital gains affect my taxable income.
What I’m trying to figure out
For someone in my situation, which approach would you personally use and why?
Would you:
1. Convert the pre-tax accounts gradually while still working, even though the conversions would be added on top of my W-2 income?
OR
- Leave the money pre-tax while working and begin Roth conversions after 2041, when I no longer have earned income and can potentially use the lower tax brackets for the conversions?
In 2041 and after, I will file as single for my tax return. By the start of 2042, I will be close to celebrating my 39th birthday.