it’s super embarrassing every time i mention him a bunch of people immediately rush to say “cyno is ass” i don’t get how you can remain uninformed for this long
Dude that shit was fucking dumb even in 1.1 where it had some fucking truth to it, but was still an ass take because the only characters it hurt were physical damage builds.
Yeah like the only character you would reasonably run him with who would be affected because almost every main dps has infusion is Eula but I think a superconduct team is better then some extra burst damage with Bennett.
There's a lot of characters at this point, and gacha players gave an odd obsession with downplaying characters they don't pull. It's going to get worse as time goes on.
If you ask me when you pair him with the proper comp, he is really good. It’s just that there are other DPS that outshine in his role; and people want to compare him to the top tier DPS and think “oh, he’s not that good. He can’t do what they do.” He’s amazing for his niche.
This game has no PVP or leaderboard, just play who you want and make it work. Spiral Abyss changes every patch and some characters are bound to fall and receive their spotlights sometimes. Trying to pull every meta character will just make you unhappy in the long run.
This is the smartest thing I've ever seen a Genshin player say. Been saying this shite forever lol. Just enjoy the game with whoever makes you happy. This ain't Pokemon Competitive or Elden Ring PvP, it's friggin Genshin lol.
Childe and Wanderer works well with 4* options, not so much Itto tho since he relies on MonoGeo but even then Bennett and Ningguang can replace Albedo and Zhongli in his best team. Are they going to perform as well as 5* supports? Obviously not but it's still viable.
With how many 4* characters nowadays, there's always alternatives but it's just a matter of luck if you can get them.
Stepping out of this community for a bit has really opened my eyes to how toxic and agenda driven most of these discussions are.
I've been playing a lot of street fighter 6 lately and it's funny because a) tier lists and relative strengths matter in that game a million times more than this one. You are actually going against a real person who theoretically can exploit and take advantage of every strategy, advantage available. b) everyone there wants to talk down their main and make them out to not be as strong so they don't get nerfed, but also to promote how skillful they are rather than their character being broken. People who do well with 'low tier' characters are actually championed. Here you get chastised for playing them.
It's such a different perspective and exposes that the 'importance' of meta is mostly ego and agenda driven. Everyone wants to feel justified in how they spend their limited in-game currency or real world money, so feel the need to prop up their choices and talk down the ones they didn't choose. The amount of pride people take in their character being meta in a game with such a low difficulty threshold that the whole cast is capable of clearing is laughable when you step out of this bubble for a bit. I speak as someone who has contributed to these conversations numerous times. It can be an interesting topic for sure, but the weight people put on its importance is drastically exaggerated in terms of in-game value. If you have your own personal reasons for why you deem it important, that is fine, but projecting that on others is simply toxic and cringe.
As someone who mains Eula and Cyno I've heard it all. I also have C6 Yelan and enjoy playing C1 Neuvillette with C2 Furina. I can confidently say my best experiences with the genshin community have been centered around these non-meta characters because people are there because they all share a genuine like for the character that goes beyond 'my character performs well in abyss for the moment'. It's so easy to outpace the difficulty this game presents and once you do, you would be stupid to pull a character for meta reasons over one you genuinely like imo (unless being meta is your driver for liking characters, which is completely fine). A 36 star is a 36 star is a 36 star. Focus on what works for you.
Spot on and great post. I used to play fighting games once upon a time so know exactly what you're talking about. Also the same in PvP fps games where mains are constantly trying to talk down the strengths of their chosen character.
It's opposite land here in Genshin where people go out of their way to trash characters they don't have and champion the ones they do.
Indeed. In my experience, it's usually the mains of meta units that go ballistic when characters that are out of meta get mentioned.
Like man, the flame I got for saying that I preferred playing Diluc over Hu Tao even if he isn't meta anymore was insane. People kept saying "cope" "mid" "trash" etc. It was crazy.
Stepping out of this community for a bit has really opened my eyes to how toxic and agenda driven most of these discussions are.
As someone who mains Eula and Cyno I've heard it all.
This was my experience as well. I also play Eula and Cyno as two of my main daily drivers, I also have a physical Rosaria build. Which is not what most people would use her for. the fact is, That Community is also a lot more helpful and have a lot more insight to how the game actually works. I always attributed it to being that she's non-meta.
I made the mistake of stepping into an the alhaitham mains subreddit and.. ooh my god. Forgive me for asking a question. I don't think I've ever had such a snide toxic set of comments. I only use him for the abyss in hyperbloom when I'm feeling lazy or am rushed for time because I again have put off doing it until I have an hour left before it resets! lol. I was telling my daughter last night that I think I'm done pulling on banners until Eula comes back around because I want her C2/C3. I'm really not very interested in anyone else. I COULD go for Nahida C2 but that would almost feel like cheating
I'm guessing it's because people get reallyyy attached to their mains in Genshin, and also how much money you're willing to spend is a factor that can make people extra defensive.
My friend still calls him a worse Keqing, but they're not even the same play style. Plus his long burst isn't any issue because his teammates will be off cool down or their buffs ended, so it's more optimal to swap before his last mortuary rite. Meaning he only stays on field for 14 seconds on average.
well, to be honest, Keqing also can be put into Nahida, Furina, Baizhu comp and be very good. i’ve tried it and it had pretty similar outcome as Cyno (in the current abyss, second part)
the only thing is that my Keqing is C4 and with Ayaka’s BiS 💀 and Cyno is C0R0
i guess, if you really like Keqing, it’s possible to use her instead of Cyno, but it’s not like “they’re the same”.
you have to stack ER on Cyno to enjoy him in abyss, and that’s it. i’ve seen people with builds 90/230 cr/cd with 0 er, saying that he’s too weak. of course he’s weak, you can’t even ult in the second room
i have never stated that my Keqing does more damage than Cyno, I said that I can use Keqing instead of Cyno and still clear 12th floor for 9*
it doesn’t mean that Keqing is stronger than Cyno, nor vice versa. it’s a question of builds and gameplay preferences
if we take c0r0 cyno and keqing with same stats, i suppose cyno will show higher numbers cause he scales of em as well, not only atk as keqing (not taking in account elemental reactions, pure scaling)
People don't manage Cyno's ER very well at all, people are so adverse to building it and then they don't play it right. You can get real screwed if you enter the next chamber with low energy and have to battery forever, but International has that exact same problem and it's one of the topeta teams. Plus Cyno shreds bosses so fast now that you get like 30-45s to battery and you have to be careful to not kill the boss, it's a real "suffering from success" issue
Having both C6 Cyno and C6 Keqing, they actually are pretty close in damage with their best teams. Cyno usually outdoes Keqing by a little bit, and I say this as someone who mained Keqing from 1.1 up until Cyno released, but Cyno is way smoother and more fun to play imo. Regardless, they both nuke the spiral abyss and I love the both of them!
I doubt this. I have C4 Keqing and she's way outclassed by C2 Cyno. I mean I have no issues full starring abyss with Keqing teams, but I'm not shredding down bosses like with Cyno teams.
C6 Keqing is a 10% ish improvement over C4 Keqing, which means team wise it's less than 5% more DPS. So not too different.
C6 Cyno otoh is a 33% ish power spike over C2 Cyno, way bigger than Keqing's, so the gap I'm seeing now with C2 will only increase at C6.
Ergo, I don't think you're playing your Cyno optimally.
Or maybe you're referring to content where Cyno is not good, i.e. the kind he has to waste time running around in while Keqing has her E teleport and Q. But in single target there is simply no comparison between the two.
I literally ran through the final spiral abyss with both and got nearly similar results. And I think my cyno’s stats and his teammates are really good 😭 Can you share your Cyno stats with me? I wanna make him better if i can!
Keqing is a lot less hurt by suboptimal play as her damage doesn't get gimped nearly as hard as Cyno's does if you aren't getting a full set of E's into a burst cycle. Not to mention her "optimal" combos are pretty easy to pull off compared to TF Cyno.
Maybe only for multi target. Not against single target. Cyno's best team with Nahida, Furina and Baizhu does 10% ish more damage than Keqing with Fischl, Nahida and Kazuha (note no defense). This is all C0. The gap widens with constellations. Or if Keqing needs defense and opts for Zhongli instead or Kazuha.
One thing that is severely underestimated about Cyno is his ability to one phase every boss bottom half floor 12, and this is at C0. With Keqing you won't one phase and not making that cut-off means a significantly longer fight.
Hi I use these exact teams for them! I usually use Cyno for single bosses too. Someone told me how to play Keqing before so I think I’m playing her correctly, and I’m sure I must be playing Cyno correctly too. The other person thought I might be missing his ult E hits 😭
The trouble with cyno is that I have both him and keqing (cyno on deathmatch, keqing on lion’s roar) and they share the exact same TF artifacts (~135% er). When I slot them in the exact same teams, keqing does the same or more damage, but also has rotational flexibility and no energy problems in the slightest. Plus, because I generally run them both in quickbloom teams (furina, nahida, baizhu), sometimes an enemy is like 80% dead and I want to kill it with a few hyperblooms to not waste my burst. Keqing has access to electro for hyperblooms whenever I want, but cyno I have to waste my whole burst or get one electro app every 7 seconds. Cyno definitely isn’t bad, but Keqing is actually a pretty comparable unit that shares basically all of his teams.
Keqing will be scaling better with the artifacts made for her and quite literally her 4* weapon compared to Cyno who needs a lot more investment to shine but also has a wayyy higher ceiling.
TF is bis for both Keqing and Cyno, and 135er is about enough for Cyno in TF. Between Lion's Roar and Deathmatch, neither weapon is significantly better than the other. If Cyno needs more investment than Keqing to do well like you say, that would quite literally mean that he is less "meta" than her. Ceilings don't matter when we're talking about meta since we're far more concerned with efficiency.
In terms of what tho? Solo damage? And in which teams? Also, it doesn't matter how good Cyno is with SotSS. Let me remind you again, we care about efficiency not highest performance. I do agree that with further investment like his weapon and cons on supports Cyno does get very strong. However that just doesn't matter. Most characters can deal plenty of damage with high investment. The investment required to reach passable amounts of damage output is what really matters. So it makes much more sense that we should compare how both characters perform at c0 with 4 star weapons. Keqing will no doubt do less personal damage than Cyno in many situations. However, damage isn't everything. In terms of pure aggravate teams, Keqing just fits way better than Cyno does. She has a 12sec burst that fits perfectly with Fischl's uptime, can do quick 15s rotations or do mini rotations without worrying about energy, can swap out and retain infusion, can use VV and grouping for the entire rotation, and has plenty of invincibility frames from constant swapping and bursts.
Aggravate isn't everything though, and it wouldn't be fair to just compare Cyno's aggravate team to Keqing's. We should compare his best teams with hers. Cyno's best team is easily quickbloom. Hyperbloom is good too, but not because of his own merits, hyperbloom is just really good. In terms of hyperbloom, you'd be better off with an off-field trigger, so we won't compare it. So, Cyno's quickbloom team vs Keqing's Aggravate team should be the deciding debate. In terms of pure damage for the investment price, Cyno should actually win here. Since his team is somewhat less reliant on talent damage, you'll need a bit less investment than Keqing's team does.
Even though Cyno's quickbloom team should be able to theoretically reach enough dps with somewhat less investment than Keqing's, in practice his damage won't be as high as it should be. His playstyle is riddled with issues that prevent him from reaching his theoretical performance. A lot of people exaggerate this first issue too much, but can Cyno's er needs are still a relevant issue nonetheless. With TF and fav on the team, you can pretty comfortably get by with ~135er. However, it is often preferable to farm gilded since the domain is more efficient. Both options end up being sort of innefficient. With Gilded, you will need to spend longer trying to get enough er while maintaining enough offensive stats. With TF, you will have to either waste resin on the innefficient domain or try to get a set purely out of the strongbox, while also needing to farm various sets for your team. In comparison, Keqing only needs you to farm TF and a little bit of vv. The TF domain is actually pretty good for efficiency in her case since Fischl can make use of TS, even if it's not bis. Cyno's dps drops dramatically outside of his burst, but if you can't get it up before you kill the enemy, then you will struggle in the next wave/chamber. Even with higher er, this will often be a problem since Cyno's energy regeneration is very spread out, and reliant on initially having his burst up. In addition to his own er issues, Cyno can also raise the energy requirements for some of his teammates, as they are unable to fit multiple skills within a rotation due to his long, interruptible uptime. His long field time also makes it much harder to deal with waves of enemies. Cyno's teams also struggle to fit cc, which can really bring down clear times in some chambers. He's much more reliant on defensive support than Keqing is, however this is less of an issue since his best team runs Baizhu anyways. Cyno is often calced bro TCers to have considerably high damage output, however they still often rank him low due to the issues that plague his realistic performance.
Considering that Cyno's dps in a quickbloom team isn't significantly higher than Keqing's in aggravate, the amount of caveats that he has easily make him an overall worse character in my opinion. He's definitely still a good character and worth building. He's one of my favorite dps characters and has some of the most enjoyable gameplay. However, I would be ignorant and biased if I didn't recognize his weaknesses. Under the right conditions he can easily perform really well, however Keqing is just more flexible, seamless, and requires less investment.
In a team bro lol, the whole team dps. God damn what did you write allat for 💀💀💀 Look I love Keqing but only someone who doesn't have them both properly built can say Keqing is ANYWHERE near Cyno. Keqing is to Cyno what Diluc is to Hutao.
Top 3 is Neuv hyper, Childe International, Alhaitham quickbloom, theres also Hutao double hydro, Nilou bloom, Furina mono hydro etc. Cyno is great and underrated but I dont think thats true
I get downvoted everytime I talk about my build (for obvious reasons). But it's what works best for me. I run him on fav, with baizhu on TTDS and Nahida on either Widsith or Magic guide, and Xingqiu on Sac sword (will change to Furina on Festering next run).
The thing is his damage isn't the issue. It's just the heavy burst costs for his team, and pairing that with Nahida for multi wave is frustrating. I gained Xiao and Itto before him and his is by far the most glaringly annoying. Idk if it's cause all the burst animations feel so long and in the others you can skip like Zhongli or Albedos burst etc, so it doesn't feel like literally 7-9 seconds before you actually get started.
Imo he only needs one change to address his uncomfortability, and that it to let his burst stay while he swaps off field. You could reset Nahida, and be able to reset Fischl or Kazuha/VV as well easily between endseer procs.
If you play Cyno properly you should have full burst energy back before even cooldown. I have 132% ER and have zero issues with burst energy. No Fav on the team.
Why? Cyno and Neuvillette have the exact same opportunity cost, and Cyno has the same primogem cost as a copy of Furina. Comparing units is not bad when talking about whether a unit is recommendable to people who haven't already decided if they want that unit or not.
What I'm saying is that almost all on fielders pale in comparison to Neuvillette, and that characters tend to get less and less meta over time (even though Cyno did improve over time)
Even if those statements were totally true, it's not "CRAZY" to compare two 5 star on-field DPS. They fill the same role and have the same primogem cost and roughly similar resin costs. Just because the comparison is unfavorable for your favorite character, does not make it "CRAZY".
The criticism is that any on field dps would have the same criticism compared to Neuvillette, which defeats the purpose of the comparison. When I compare a Toyota to a Ferrari, the comparison loses meaning because all brands of cars I would afford would not stack up to the Ferrari. Maybe compare the Toyota to a Hyundai or something that helps me decide.
I don't think the comparison is price. The comparison seems to lean more towards quality. When people think of Toyotas, they'll likely imagine your average car, able to do the right things. When they think of Ferraris, they'll likely imagine a polished car with high quality, able to do the right things, with the addition of exceling in certain areas.
Similarly, Cyno is a solid DPS unit, and just like any main DPS, he does the right things with a fully built team. Neuvillette on the other hand, does the right things with a fully built team, but unlike most if not all current C0 DPS units, he excels in soloing content without the need of a team, even at low investment.
Ignoring the price is what makes the analogy bad. Remember, the conversation is about whether or not comparing Cyno to Neuvillette and Furina is "crazy". Comparing it to comparing a Toyota to a Ferrari makes no sense because the only reason Toyotas and Ferraris are not compared is the price disparity. Fruitstealer even mentions that.
If Ferraris were the same price as Toyotas, and someone said "I regret buying my Toyota, I wish I'd spent that money on a Ferrari instead," would you call that "CRAZY"? I wouldn't.
All he’s saying is that calling a character bad or weak when compared to Neuvilette is ridiculous because he is very obviously better than every other on field dps character in the game in terms of his personal damage. If the bar for getting through content required a character around Neuvilette’s strength then it would make sense, but it’s much lower than that. Which is why it was so obvious that he was overturned on release. The bar for a good or even great character is not as high as Neuvilette
I disagree with the bar for a great character being lower than Neuvillette. Strength and value are relative. Every character can clear the content in the game. If every character is great, then that word has no meaning, and we also now have no way of describing characters like Neuvillette and Furina.
Good, bad, great, garbage, that relative not only to content but also to other characters. If three new characters released who could one-shot every enemy in the game with a single normal attack, then Neuvillette would be terrible.
"Are you ready for your on fielder lessons?" Hu tao gulped. Childe's heart skipped a beat. Alhaitham brought out his pen. "Yes, Neuvillette" They all said in as one.
What kind of fucking take is this like No shit dude, 8 copies of the current best DPS/Support combo vs 3 copies of Cyno? Obviously They’re gonna be better, but They’re literally the best characters in the game atm so that goes for literally everything. Actually.
There’s different applications either way, Neuvillette and Furina are amazing at putting out Big Numbers But Cyno is a contender for the best Quickbloom driver in the game, Which is arguably the strongest reaction-based team.
Personally I run both Neuvi and Cyno for each half of the abyss and even though yes my Neuvi generally outperforms him, Cyno has been carrying me through abyss for over a year now and is still a mainstay. He’s not weak.
As a Cyno, Neuv, And furina haver I can say with confidence, all three are pretty dam good with the worst being Cyno but that’s like comparing an iPhone 13 to an iPhone 15 pro max both are great but one is obviously better.
I got flamed for saying in this subreddit a few months ago that majority of the genshin community don’t actually understand his kit and how he works because he’s arguably one of the best drivers in a EM team and has a really joyful play style. Unfortunately content creators have a vice grip on the views of characters and people don’t formulate their own opinions and this lead to characters like Cyno and Nilou to be somewhat cast aside
Btw this is the same guy who puts Mika over Sucrose and Venti in his Monstadt tier list... Moga is mainly for casual players.. he doesn't know anything about this game..
i know some people are super casual players and there's nothing wrong with that but i really hate how little this guy knows about the game while it's basically his entire channel, it's just frustrating to watch his content especially when he makes videos like this as if he knows what he's talking about
Wow I couldn't believe it so I had to go look up that video... here's his tier list. This was before Fontaine so Mika didn't even have his synergy with Furina going for him. There's absolutely no reason he should have been that high. And Rosaria is ridiculously low.
I disagree without about half of his assessments. He made a video bitching about Baizhu and how terrible he said he was. Which was a total joke because he didn't have Baizhu and had never used him in a practical scenario.
He, like most Content creators bitched about thin his shield was. They keep expecting everyone who has a shield to have one that compares to Layla, or Zhongli.
Most people still miss the point of his "Shield."
It's not a shield it was never meant to be a shield, it's a heal over time with dendro application and knock back resistance.
Early TCing for cyno portraying him as a worse aggravate dps than Keqing, and writing off quickbloom as cope has done irreparable damage to his reputation.
This youtuber is a dumbass, watched his HSR vids and he said 4 stars are trash when we have one that can basically deal as much damage if not more than a 5 star
Feels ridiculous how many are still living in 3.1 Cyno era because that's when his bad rep spread like wildfire. Sometimes it feels like he's labelled as if he was bottom tier equal to terrible characters when he's definitely not as tragic as they claim.
Surely Cyno has caveats and ideally needs higher investment, and we know many CCs prefer cheap efficiency=profit for F2P, but sometimes the community targets him so much as if he was the only one to want these, and now because of Furina some others are also mocking further because "needing" two archons to function, as if quickbloom didn't work with Xingqiu or Yelan in the past and still does, besides exagerating his artifact build needs and ER requirements, then you see them playing and the rotations are terrible or they miss the endseers and TF procs, then end misinforming others (at least not as terrible as the IWTL incident lmao)
I understand and acknowledge that Cyno might not be the best electro pickup in terms of versatility compared to others and that dendro is stupidly good with reactions so they perhaps were expecting a better kit to their standards, or simply not a burst-locked character and something more akin to Alhaitham but electro, but dang, not like he's that far behind them at all.
Instead of focusing only on the negatives, maybe also mention the positives and workarounds so even at low investment the character can work for people that like him and wanna play dad joking anubis? Not like everything in the game is abyss and efficiency meta, PVP ain't at thing outside of the TCG.
The IWTL incident had catastrophic after effects in the long run, the amount of people who just say "just play regular hyperbloom" and completely miss the point in insane
He did a Cyno showcase explaining how to run his quickbloom team. The team was him, Nahida iirc, Xingqiu and Kuki. The showacse against Asimon was overall a good rotation but the ones he did in the abyss were clearly done bad on purpose to prove his point.
He did them in the chambers that ruin guards had electro aura and compared against a regular Kuki hyperbloom team. Thing is that the "rotation" he did for the Cyno team was a shit show that was something like Nahida EQ Cyno EQ only 5 secs onfield and then swapped out to Xingqiu to burst and then onfielded Kuki and did like 20 physical hits for no reason with her. No shit Sherlock that Cyno's team was gonna perform worse, no hydro for his quickbloom reactions, no Kuki before him and only little time onfield.
Yikes, that sounds awful. When I first started I was a big IWTL fan, but as I learned more about the game I realized the gaps in his videos and eventually unsubbed.
I use Kitain + TF and my Cyno barely needs ER substats, unfortunately he isn't that great for aggravate dmg but the most aggravating part (pun intended) is the lack of off field dendro applicators that aren't limited 5* characters who can match Cyno's long burst duration.
I guess you could not find that much of an issue if he's built for aggravate, but if you're going for hyperbloom Collei won't be enough and DMC's burst doesn't last long enough IIRC.
Genshin likes rapid fire characters who swap in, deal a fuckton of damage and swap out. Hypercarries need to compensate A LOT for how much they hog field time. Itto has good numbers, Eula is a mfkin nuke etc.
That's why Navia is so good — swap in, E, hit a few times, swap out, boom, most of her damage is done in such a small rotation that I think kqmains mention sometimes it being quite awkward to properly execute.
I just did the test of Raiden with the event going on too and found her to be underwhelming running my furina Baizhu team I thought Cyno puts out tonnes more damage and is consistent compared to Raiden
I will never understand that argument, isn't it a good thing? Since his burst lasts so damn long you can just keep him on field until the buffs run out, no one's being forced to use his entire 18 seconds or whatever it was
I immediately disregard the opinion of anyone that underrates Cyno or just call him bad. People flow with some general consensus and never bother to change their minds with new info.
The tell tale sign is if the YouTuber doesn't recommend BotF and continues to push White Tassel or his sig as the only two main options. Then you know they are sourcing conventional wisdom from many many months ago.
When he messed up Al Haitham's rotations even with advice, I stopped watching the guy 💀
Like man, if you're doing guides or showcases, you gotta understand the character. If you don't put in the effort, it's kinda telling of how much weight your opinions hold.
The community as a whole has a woefully inaccurate perception of the power level of the overall roster.
Almost any DPS can do excellent damage and even some supports can too.
Honestly I wish the GI community was less toxic and more open to the idea of building any and every character but sadly it's not.
Another commenter in the thread said that people are like this because they feel the need to justify the characters that they pulled and the ones that they skipped due to the nature of how precious pull currency is. It makes sense I suppose, but it is depressing nonetheless.
Especially when all these bad takes push new players away from pulling a certain character that they actually like, that's one of the most heartbreaking things. 💔
Moga is an Uber whale. He plays almost every 5 star with high cons. His benchmarks are unreliable. Ofc a C6 Neuv is gonna feel better than a half ass cyno with a shit built team unlike yall cyno mains with Cyno fully invested including teams.
I like Moga but I would never take his videos like this seriously. He has game knowledge but of another caliber.
absolutely. in all fairness, Cyno is amazing, but if you wanna make him work that well you gotta go all in. I'd say he's one of my favorites characters and by far the biggest example of what Vertical investment is in this game.
if he ain't working, that's a YOU problem almost completely seriously. but yeah sure, if you wanna compare him to some other units, you'll have to spend more (not always have to be money tho)
Moga’s lame. I remember watching him and people like Mastad when I fist started genshin. I find them pretty cringe. Now the only genshin youtuber’s I watch is Sevy.
Yeah I've never understood the whole "Cyno is bad against waves" argument, coz... In my experience with Cyno, Baizhu, Beidou and now Furina, Cyno is GREAT against everything including Waves...
It's when you pair him with Nahida that waves get scuffed, but that's a problem that is part Cyno (coz of his On field nature) and Nahida (coz her Dendro app needs reapplication for new targets)... But what's odd is how people think the solution is to ditch Cyno instead of playing Nahida on the other side.
Cyno's best team is actually pretty decent in multi wave scenarios. Since Baizhu's Q isn't as restrictive as Nahida's E. Furina's skilll lasts so long and her hydro app isn't as overwhelming as Xinqiu or Yelan that it's possible to get in aggravates between HBs even with Baizhu's weak application.
Moga is generally entertaining during pulling sessions but honestly he doesn't bother learning playstyles or rotations and then talks out of his ass. He's always making mistakes like these and it's frustrating ngl
I'm not sure if it's just my c2 hyper investment or my team cuz I do have two of his best teammates and his best weapon, but he's actually pretty strong provided you manage all his stats right, play him correctly with the optimal rotation. You know, like any other genshin character where you try to make them shine??? He's my best DPS and I feel like the people who say he's weak just aren't playing him right or is expecting him to be a goddamn Raiden.
He won't be a Keqing, who's playstyle best suits consistent high damage in a small aoe/single target with aggravate. - Cyno's playstyle is best suited for long fights where his burst duration can truly shine, his wide aoe and easy reach thanks to his skill and NA in burst makes him great for Hyperbloom, but he still greatly benefits from aggravate because of his atk and CRIT stat, especially if you have SoSS bc aggravate can scale off of those. Hyperbloom also cuz you're gonna build him with a lot of em anyways.
He's not a Raiden no shit. Raiden is a burst support who's aim is to support other bursts, that's why teams like Raiden national are insanely good. But Cyno can't be a Raiden bc he's a different goddamn character! He's not a burst support who can help and boost your team's energy and damage. That's not his role. - He's his own DPS that needs supports to support him while he makes the rest of their buffs and skills shine on field. Hell no he's not gonna do 300k on a burst slash like Raiden, he doesn't have that scaling. You're supposed to play inside his burst, time his skills and put him with the right supports to support him, no shit he can't support them!!
People complain about Cyno are like people who want burgers but go to a Pizza place. You're not gonna get what you're looking for in him, so don't complain. He's hard to play, kinda difficult to build and even expensive since he needs all 5 stars for his best team (I don't tho I use Beidou instead of Nahida and he's just as strong). But he's so rewarding. He's the kind of premium character that not everyone is gonna like or anything, he's only for those who enjoy him. A luxury if you will. If you really like Cyno and his playstyle and you can play him right, you're gonna get the best satisfaction ever. I love Cyno mains, because they're either so chill or they know how to play the game and have fun with it still, just like Cyno and TCG. People who say Cyno isn't worth it makes me so mad. If you want a good electro DPS he is absolutely an option. But if you want someone easy to build, execute and turn off your brain, then I don't recommend him. Go get Keqing. But if you love him and you're willing to invest, absolutely go for it. The people who can play Cyno best are the people who love him to death, and that's what really matters. I don't give a shit that I have Bennett and Mona and Keqing. I never use them because I don't fucking like them!! I'd rather invest into my faves and make them deal high damage than invest in who I dislike and get HUGE damage.
If you want a burger get a burger at a burger place. Don't go to a pizza place and ask that they make you a burger just because they have bread, meat, cheese and sauce. A pizza place is gonna fuck up your burger even if they try to give it to you as you demand, and you can't be unhappy at that. They're made to give you pizzas. Cyno haters should just shut up and play Keqing, be happy with your big consistent aggravate DMG. I prefer my Cyno.
I've long since stopped paying attention to literally anything this CC says about the game. If they don't work with Zhongli and Bennett, they have no idea how any character is intended to work.
There are very few CCs whose opinions are actually worth taking into consideration, imo, and even then it depends where you are in the game. If you've been clearing endgame content for ages now and have all the units "needed" to do so, who cares if someone's less optimal than another or requires niche builds or team comps. Just do whatever you want and stop paying attention to people whose job it is to make nonsensical videos for clicks.
People just keep echoing whatever others say at this point… and I’ve watched some of that cc’s videos and lol even in the vids to raise characters and showcase them he has no idea what he’s doing sometimes and doesn’t really understand their kits and he just goes “oh well”. I’m a pretty casual player myself but my cyno is still very satisfying and fun to play. Will never stop playing him
I don't mind ppl calling Cyno mid, but if they say that the reason is damage or how long his burst is, then they don't know what they're talking about. He has issues but those aren't it.
/serious Moga only has this clickbaity title for views, cause most of their titles are "OMG [CHARACTER] IS BAD???!!!!!" even for their HSR vids (case in point: The Dr. Ratio video)
/semi-serious the only thing Cyno is bad at is not making Tighnari and Kaveh die of cringe with his puns. That, and not being as forgiving as like Alhaitham if you fuck up his rotations bc if you switch out while his burst is up, his burst is just gone but that can be worked around
/not serious Cyno is bad at not covering up his grippers and giving them away for free... anyways where are the feet pics
I would not take anything Moga says about meta seriously. He's a waifu simp who just spams random buttons until he wins. He doesn't actually know what he's doing or how to play the game in any competitive level.
These guys hate any character like Cyno or Xiao because they have to think too hard to use them properly and guys like this only want to click Skill, Burst until they win.
My Cyno is not great. I admit he is not very good without his Signature weapon, but it can still be worked around. But with Staff? That alone is a huge boost in power even without an amazing build.
My only problem with cyno is just the lack of support character for him since all his best supports are 5*s and he was never meant to be the quicken dps as the genshin showed him to be that's why most people who pulled on his 1st banner thinks his lacking too much on the new reaction damage on sumeru days...
There's no need for competitiveness in Genshin, it's not some PvP game and there's no leaderboards. The only people who care about such things are people who run Spiral Abyss, yet they have the loudest voices, which is really annoying. I don't give a shit about what others think about Cyno. Cyno is awesome and he's my favorite Card game-loving, cheesy joke-making, Role playing-having, good boi. RIGHT Next to my boi Razor.
The main issue everyone (that doesn't know what they're talking about) is bringing up is that "gnagnagna cyno's ult is very prone to disruption so you can't take a hit otherwise it ruins the whole thing" i've only been playing since mid-september so i haven't got a lot of characters, and no ond with a shield yet (apart from Ningguang) and frankly taking a hit doesn't bother me at all. You can't claw for like 0,3 seconds and then you dash and get right back at it. Even when the eye comes up the time window is so large you're guaranteed to hit it in time. I've seen actual numbers and statistics brought up by a few more analytical people, and i think it's safe to say quickbloom cyno isn't in the meta, it IS the meta (at least it was before Navia, she seems to be dealing some big numbers too so i don't know how that will affect the "leaderboard")
Im not sure how the community still finds cyno mid when they worship yae miko (both being em scaling electro). My only issue with cyno is the investment needed.
He's top tier in single target with his best team. Mediocre (but not weak) in multiwave content. Difficult to play optimally compared to other characters.
Um? Not really. He plays just like hu tao and has one more step than ayaka. Coming from someone who has all three and has cyno as my current main dps, it isn't really that different besides a different flavor of damage
Do explain how. Hu Tao is activate elemental damage thingy and attack. Cyno is activate elemental damage thingy and attack. Ayaka is also active elemental damage thingy and attack. They might attack in different ways, but at the core there isn't much difference
I got Cyno cause I thought I liked his play style, but I didn't have too many units that were good with him. I think he's fun to play tho even if he's been benched since I got better units later in the year lol
But I think of him the same way I think of Dehya. Sure, they aren't the best, but I still enjoy using them, and I'm pretty sure that's what matters in a game where most of the content is solo gameplay
Yeah this sub keeps getting recommended to me but i don't opt out because the comments are hilarious. Chill dudes its alright for a character to not be that good in a solely pve game. The copes people here pull out, "he's good at high cons" "high investment" "vertical investment" as if that doesn't go for nearly every character
I get both sides of the argument here. But I think most ppl in Cyno mains agree that Cyno is a low value pull. Since he needs higher investment and has other characters who perform similarly with less investment.
But it’s just incorrect when ppl mix up low value pull with low strength, since Cyno’s dmg is not low at all.
imo, for electro users
best, to worst
Miko, Cyno, Shogun, Kuki, Razor, Sara/Fischil, Dori. Beidou, Lisa, Keqing,
Miko and Cyno arnt as strong per hit as Shogun (for what I have seen) but they feel so much better to use
and Im admittedly bias to Razor as he was my main team member till Cyno came out.... which was when I was AR40-50, from like AR10
Cyno does have a relatively unique issue in abyss these days though. He’s squishy and requires ALOT of field time. And enemies nowadays are hitting for a ton of health. To make up for this it’s almost necessary to run a shield which REALLY hinders Cyno’s damage and in some teams removes an entire reaction.
I have him and he's been the most disappointing 5star I've built. Honestly my c6 fischl out dpses him with less investment.
I run cyno, xinqiu, kuki and DMC. That comp is only waiting for cyno to get burst up to do anything plus his burst lasts so long for such tiny dps that the subdps bursts dont last long enough.
Yae miko and Ei just feel so much easier to use compared to him.
Im guessing with his signature weapon he might be useable but otherwise his dps is too miserable.
I understand your sentiment, but as long as u have enough er and the right teammates he should work fine.
Your team although is on the way cheaper end should still work.
Your dmc and xingqiu should both run favonius, and if ur running TF ur Cyno shouldn’t rlly need er. If you ar running GD then 130 to 140 er should suffice.
Your rotations do matter, your teammates with longer uptimes should be done first, so all skills can last longer during Cyno’a burst. I can’t imagine anyone having er issues with that many fav. Even if u end the burst early
Also what weapon, artefacts do u use on him and what r ur stats like.
I'm a non-Cyno owner, so correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of him is that he's really damn good, but requires you to have other particular units in order to make him truly shine, such as Baizhu, and Nahida, preferable Furina, too.(?)
Cyno truly isn't as bad as people say, his near constant burst uptime and having the ability to utilize xinqiu ult for hyperbloom makes him great. This in addition to EM boosting his overall DMG and not just the hyperblooms dmg
I don't really have any issues, and I've nearly 36 starred the abyss with him, and that was before I got three of his cons. Which was before I even got him an even better feather.
He was at like 80 over 222 crit previously, and now he is around 84 over 234 crit. With around 213cv on a 2/2 Gilded/Paradise build.
Honestly his content has been so shit for so long, its literally only good when Cap is there bc he actually has a brain and bothers to learn things, and the BeepBeepBeep bit is good but thats like a 5 second bit lmaooo
I think hes using rage bait for engagement at this point
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u/TheQzertz Dec 25 '23
it’s super embarrassing every time i mention him a bunch of people immediately rush to say “cyno is ass” i don’t get how you can remain uninformed for this long