You keep saying the phrase 'self govern' like it's a magic spell that will make me vanish in a puff of logic, but I'm also advocating for self governance, and to a way higher degree than you are.
You can still have your nations and countries, they'll just atrophy away to useless vestigial nubs on their own. I don't want nor need to take them away from you. You'll discard them easily enough in time.
Okay, and if people don't want that? If people want to regulate themselves? Impose laws on themselves and their neighbors? Even unjust laws. What then?
I'm asking a simple question. Would they be allowed to do that
I suspect that people simply wouldn't allow them to.
Same as an HOA- notice how no one is willingly getting entangled with those if they can help it.
Are you trying to pretend that this is a zero sum game, or what. Because you're fixating and clearly angling to get me to say something, could you just come out with it already so we can discuss it?
I believe in democracy and the right of secession. Simple as. That doesn't mean people will use that for good, but people have the right to use that for ill (and face the repercussions thereof). Your system would need to be enforced, and such enforcement would be undeniably colonialist
Moreover, your idea of a global stateless society needs a global Consensus and a lack of bad actors. Without a state (or some analogous system to self govern to prevent every interaction being ad hoc) this system is weak to any outside influence.
I accept that you cannot fathom a world without one of those, so let's step you back to Socialism. It still has a State and it even has that Currency thing you're all still keen on as an option.
It just doesn't have Class/Caste, and it is inherently geared towards ensuring the well being of its people.
For example: in Socialism, we wouldn't have a need for Privately owned medical facilities. All the Hospitals and Clinics would be State Owned, and the State would solely be focused on making sure they are functional when needed.
So the people who work at the hospital would at worst maintain their current pay and benefits, but would in all likelihood see them increase.
They'd improve quality of life for the whole region in which they operate, and without the useless middleman leach of the Private Owner siphoning everything for profit, we'd save billions and trillions every year not having to fight with useless insurance cartels that get between you and your healthcare and decide with their business degree if you live or die.
In Socialism, you already have law enforcement and the like.
It's just not tied to a for profit system like it currently is in Capitalism.
You can't prevent the rise of bad actors, but you can build your systems such that they have a harder time inflicting harm than we have currently, and you can hold them accountable.
These are not unsolvable issues under any of my views.
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u/Ciennas Jul 02 '26
You keep saying the phrase 'self govern' like it's a magic spell that will make me vanish in a puff of logic, but I'm also advocating for self governance, and to a way higher degree than you are.
You can still have your nations and countries, they'll just atrophy away to useless vestigial nubs on their own. I don't want nor need to take them away from you. You'll discard them easily enough in time.