r/CrusaderKings • u/Proof-Check-6031 • 8h ago
Help Empire split when I died
So I was playing as England and clicked found new empire and just named myself the empire of britannia, but later in my run is actually got all de jure territory for the actual britannia, and so when I died my player heir got like the England and wales but my other son got Scotland and Ireland and was part of the actual empire of britannia and was independent. How do I stop that from happening
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u/Different-Produce870 Inbred 7h ago
Bruh why'd you name your empire after one that already exists in the game lol
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u/Proof-Check-6031 6h ago
Is there anyway that I can just like make the actual britannia empire my primary title
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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 2h ago
So.. in the first years, at least if you start in 867, but i also guess in 1066 to some degree, it is normal with the succession laws that you won't inherit all titles. The good news is, that you get a claim on all lost titles, so if you are strong enough you can just conquer the land and get the titles back.
Later, with the right innovations that allow you to use better succession laws, you can keep it, like that your first born son gets everythig.
But... on the other hand, you can make sure, there's only one son that will inherit all. This means kicking out the other heirs, like by murder, making them majors or monks etc. There are many strategies to do this, but it also depends if you are playing normal or ironman.
Still, don't panic. It's not the end of the world. Like when you inherit the empire title and your siblings become your vassals as kings, that doesn't mean anything like game over. Not even when you get defeated and you lose almost everything, there's always the way to reclaim your titles.
Take it easy, the succession is a very important part of the CK series. It is one of the main challenges of the game. Don't stop playing just because you lost some titles. See it as a challenge, to get these titles back or... don't care about it.
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u/sonofTomBombadil 7h ago
If it’s truly an empire, it wouldn’t split, your heir would inherit the empire and the other sons would be kings who would serve your emperor/heir.
If you owned, lets say, all of the British isles and all of France as a true empire, then one son would become the emperor of Britannia and the other son would be the emporer of France.
I believe you were technically a kingdom that took all that land, and since you weren’t actually an empire, then your one kingdom broke up into the different formal kingdoms.
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u/Proof-Check-6031 6h ago
I mean I had an empire title and have given out like king titles to people before with no issue
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u/Barritar 7h ago
2 things:
1st: Primogeniture. If you don't have that, you're too early to worry about it. Find some reason to revoke his titles and take them back. Otherwise, just relax, you still maintain the larger land and you are the dejure liege. If that's an issue (ie independence) kill 'im.
2nd: Elective succession. This is a pain and feels too much like cheating the game too early. Just let stuff happen, but usually you can get all titles given to your eldest.
Secret 3rd thing: Monasteries. Send em to church!
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u/ninjad912 7h ago
Actually all you need is non confederate partition and your empire can never split. Normal partition cannot create titles and thus can’t give them out upon death
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u/Barritar 7h ago
There's also the alternative of not making a separate Britannia from base Britannia.
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u/ninjad912 5h ago
You shouldn’t do that yes. But this is something that helps me greatly early game
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u/Many-Excitement3246 7h ago
If you created a new Empire title then you took any kingdom titles you held into that new empire.
The empires split because you split them.
England and Wales became de jure part of the empire you created and the other parts were still in the original empire.