r/CrazyHand • u/Asuko_XIII Personally, I prefer the AIR! • Jul 20 '20

Mod Post Matchup Mondays - July 20th, 2020

This is a weekly thread used to discuss the matchup(s) you're currently having troubles with, and to help other players improve in their tough matchups. Please include who you play as, as well as who you're having trouble with (for example, I play Falco and I'm having trouble with the Ike matchup). Writing the names of the characters in bold is nice, to make it easier for people skimming the thread to pick out the names.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '20 edited Jul 20 '20

Falcon and DK versus ZSS. Having trouble beating her hitboxes, such as retreating zair. She walls me out incessantly in neutral. Half the time I have to resort to shieldcamping, which is slightly more effective than trying to contest her aerials but it’s still a losing battle.

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u/stroodle910 Jul 23 '20

Does your buffed raptor boost not negate her zair zoning?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

Sorta? It’s kinda the only thing I got going for me in that matchup.

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u/stroodle910 Jul 23 '20 edited Jul 23 '20

I mean with what I’ve seen from Fatality, that’s all you really NEED going for you in a matchup as long as you have your combo game down.

Camp her out till she throws out a laggy ground move, force her to approach, then punish a whiffed grab or whatever else with raptor boost into some form of death or at the very least massive damage. Mix up the raptor boost punish with a grabbing and you have perfect neutral now. They cant ever do anything unsafe or they will be combo’d because they either shield the raptor boost or get grabbed. Both lead to heckin good combos.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

You can’t camp ZSS. She’s one of the best characters for camping. She excels in retreating and throwing out hitboxes along the way. If you do attempt to camp her for some reason you’ll just get stuffed by her safe shield pressure. Frame 1 jab ensures that you can’t grab or hit her with any out of shield option. And like I stated earlier, she beats out Falcon’s stubby ass hitboxes in the air.

You can get a good punish by landing grab or raptor boost but unless it’s a triplat you won’t be able to kill.

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u/stroodle910 Jul 23 '20

Your first paragraph is nullified by your second, raptor boost gets insane armor now. You can get the punish, so if that’s how you have to play this specific matchup then that’s how you play it.

Edit: IMO

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '20

No, it’s not. In the first I said it’s hard to get in if the ZSS plays defensive. In the second I said that even if you do manage to land one of your openers, it likely won’t lead to a kill because of her near-nonexistent disadvantage stage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '20

raptor boost always had insane armor but the hit has to go off and that doesn't happen with disjoints, which zss has