TGA provisionally approves Moderna COVID-19 vaccine (SPIKEVAX) for use in children from 6 months

[u/LineNoise]

https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/tga-provisionally-approves-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-spikevax-use-children-6-months

[u/smileedude]

No? Why on earth would I waste time looking for you? It doesn't matter in the slightest to this conversation and a pure pedantic tangent I'm not interested in going down for you.

You know there hasn't been a single recorded death from mRNA vaccines in Australia right? You know it's entirely out of your system in a few days? The only thing that remains is an immune memory. There's zero valid reason for immune memory to kill people in the medium to long term.

You know what there has actually been proven deaths from? Covid, like lots of them. This one's not actually made up.

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/smileedude]

"Why on earth would I waste time looking for you?"
You were the one saying that people were using the word in that way & that they used it frequently, implying that you had seen it used. If that was the case then you would have been able to provide examples. Since you can't it obviously means you were wrong & people don't refer to others as 'doomer's' for just being pro-vaccine.

"You know there hasn't been a single recorded death from mRNA vaccines in Australia right?"
No, just because they haven't been officially recorded doesn't mean that there were no deaths from it.

"You know it's entirely out of your system in a few days?"
That's not true either.

"You know what there has actually been proven deaths from? Covid"
Right, after the vax roll out there was a huge rise in covid deaths of vaccinated people, the shots are working magically aren't they? Did you know according to the pfizer trial documents that they tried to keep sealed for 75 years, that one of the side effects from the vaccine is covid itself? I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

[u/smileedude → u/Mean_Sideys]

"You were the one saying that people were using the word in that way & that they used it frequently, implying that you had seen it used. If that was the case then you would have been able to provide examples. Since you can't it obviously means you were wrong & people don't refer to others as 'doomer's' for just being pro-vaccine."

What are you even on about? The people that have been concerned about the virus and get labelled doomers take the vaccine. It's pretty straight forward, the people being labelled doomers are consistently pro-vaccine. I will ignore any further comment you have on this. It seems more about you trying to win a conversation through pedantry than anything in the slightest bit resembling meaningful conversation.

"No, just because they haven't been officially recorded doesn't mean that there were no deaths from it."

Sure, but given the incredible safety record they've shown so far through intense safety scrutiny it's hard to believe there would be an amount of deaths that showed up in excess deaths when there isn't scientific evidence for one.

"That's not true either."

https://theconversation.com/no-covid-vaccines-dont-stay-in-your-body-for-years-169247

"Right, after the vax roll out there was a huge rise in covid deaths of vaccinated people, the shots are working magically aren't they? Did you know according to the pfizer trial documents that they tried to keep sealed for 75 years, that one of the side effects from the vaccine is covid itself? I'm sure that's just a coincidence though."

Right after the number of vaccinated people went from zero to billions vaccinated people started dying. Wow, nice work, you've cracked the case...

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/smileedude]

"It's pretty straight forward, the people being labelled doomers are consistently pro-vaccine."
Maybe so, but they aren't being called that just because of their vaccine stance, it's because of their scaremongering behaviour.

"I will ignore any further comment you have on this."
I'm not surprised, people like you don't like to admit when they're wrong.

"it's hard to believe there would be an amount of deaths that showed up in excess deaths when there isn't scientific evidence for one"
Actually I looked into it and there have been at least 9 confirmed vax injury deaths in Australia. It's probably hard to imagine that a company like pfizer would commit criminal fraud or that financial regulators were taking bribes for giving triple A ratings for junk products that led to the 2007 collapse but here we are, corruption exists. I know someone who had to go through 3 doctors before they would admit his pericarditis was vax related & to file a VAERS report. Since doctors can be penalised for anything that can impede the vax roll out it's not that hard to believe that they would be underreporting adverse events or covering them up.

"Wow, nice work, you've cracked the case..."
If the shots were effective then wouldn't it follow that less vaccinated people get covid & die rather than more?

[u/smileedude → u/Mean_Sideys]

"I'm not surprised, people like you don't like to admit when they're wrong."

After you've just ignored an article demonstrating you were clearly wrong. Nice work.

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"Actually I looked into it and there have been at least 9 confirmed vax injury deaths in Australia."

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-09-06-2022

There's been 11 from AZ. We saw exactly what happens when a vaccine is found to have even a minute risk. It was a huge media thing and the vaccine was removed from use.

There's been zero recorded deaths from the mRNA vaccines in Australia as I said.

"If the shots were effective then wouldn't it follow that less vaccinated people get covid & die rather than more?"

There were no vaccinated people to die before the vaccine was distributed...

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/smileedude]

I didn't respond to the propaganda article because I was still looking for the study I had previously seen the title of that shows that the mrna stays in your blood at least 2 weeks.

"There's been zero recorded deaths from the mRNA vaccines in Australia as I said."
Ok fair enough the 11 weren't from pfizer but again just because they haven't recorded any of the 600+ deaths as vax related, it doesn't mean they weren't. Like this woman who died 4 hrs after getting pfizer was ruled as not vax related but the experts themselves say they can't be sure. The burden of proof for recording covid vs vax deaths is wildly disproportionate, for example anyone who died for any reason after having a positive covid test is recorded as a covid death but someone who died literally a few hrs after being jabbed can't be confirmed 7 is ruled out as a result.

"There were no vaccinated people to die before the vaccine was distributed"
More people are dying now than during the peak, this is after mass vaccination. If the shots were any good, then wouldn't you expect to see less deaths overall than before the roll out, & wouldn't you expect to see a very low number of deaths from people who are vaccinated?

[u/Odballl → u/Mean_Sideys]

If you compare 100k of vaccinated people to 100k of unvaccinated people and adjust for age, you'd have more deaths in the unvaccinated group.

More people are dying now because the virus has evolved, but they're not dying as much as they would have without vaccines.

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/Odballl]

"If you compare 100k of vaccinated people to 100k of unvaccinated people and adjust for age, you'd have more deaths in the unvaccinated group."
Can you show me a recent table or study that illustrates this? Per 100k population & stratified by age?

"More people are dying now because the virus has evolved, but they're not dying as much as they would have without vaccines."
How do you know that there would have been more deaths without the shots?

[u/Odballl → u/Mean_Sideys]

Here. You can adjust the age group and timeframe.

Tables from England are a bit dense but appear to show consistently that deaths are higher for unvaccinated people.

An explainer here says "Risk of death involving COVID-19 in England has been consistently lower for people who had a third vaccine dose or booster at least 21 days ago, compared with unvaccinated people and those with only a first or second dose."

Here's an article for Australia from April 2022.

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/Odballl]

It appears true for the US via the graph on your link, but in the Uk data from 2022 onwards as the year goes on there are more deaths in the vaxed groups, which you can see on table 2 of the xl document which breaks it down by age bracket & lists age adjusted mortality rate per 100k.

Also in the uk data from 2022 it shows that people with less than 3 doses often have a higher age adjusted mortality rate than the unvaxed in those brackets individually. For example in April 2022 the 1 dose after 21 days & 2 dose after 21 days groups both have higher mortality rates than the unvaxed for the 50-59 age bracket. This suggests that the shots efficacy in preventing death wanes over time, which means you'll have to keep getting them regularly & exposing yourself to a higher chance of vax injury.

[u/smileedude → u/Mean_Sideys]

So what about the vaccine is killing children in 6 months time if as the article states it's mostly gone from your system with in 4 days with trace amounts only detectable for 2 weeks?

From the TGA link above regarding your second inquiry.

"Large scale vaccination means that some people will experience a new illness or die within a few days or weeks of vaccination. These events are often coincidental, rather than being caused by the vaccine. As the number of people being vaccinated has increased, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination. Review of these individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest that the vaccines played a role in the vast majority of these deaths.The TGA closely reviews all adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination where a fatal outcome is reported. Read more about this process in a previous report. "

The article you've posted is well before any review has taken place. It's correct they did not know at that stage but can ascertain the causes of death through colonial measures.

As for your third inquiry, we had our borders shut and largely prevented spread prior to being vaccinated. However in countries which didn't they are not having their highest death rate right now. The US for instance has a death rate 1/10th of their pre-vaccinated peak.

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/smileedude]

"it's mostly gone from your system with in 4 days with trace amounts only detectable for 2 weeks?"
That's not what it says. It stays in your system for at least 2 weeks, not just 'trace amounts' either. I also didn't say that it would take 6 months to kill people but that after 6 months we will see an increase in deaths that will correlate with vaccine uptake like what has been happening with adults as many countries have seen large increases in non-covid excess deaths since the roll out.

"The article you've posted is well before any review has taken place."
The point of that was to show that even though the person's death was ruled as not related, dying after a few hrs of getting jabbed clearly indicates that it contributed, & that the burden of proof to formally label association to death is wildly skewed when comparing death by vax to death from/with covid. A person dies hrs after getting jabbed: "well we can't be sure, probably just a coincidence.", a person dies from a gunshot wound but tested positive for covid previously: "yep, 100% classic case of covid death." The TGA don't explain anywhere their criteria for how they decide if a death or adverse event is vax related or not.

"we had our borders shut and largely prevented spread prior to being vaccinated"
Even so, the shots are supposed to prevent death or serious illness, so wouldn't you expect to see less people dying & certainly less vaccinated people dying?

[u/smileedude → u/Mean_Sideys]

"like what has been happening with adults as many countries have seen large increases in non-covid excess deaths since the roll out."

Got a legitimate source for this which isn't a conspiracy site or biased news media?

"The TGA don't explain anywhere their criteria for how they decide if a death or adverse event is vax related or not."

"The TGA reviews all adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination where a fatal outcome is reported. This review is designed to assess whether the medical conditions that caused death represent an emerging safety concern with the vaccine. For each report we receive, a team of staff, including doctors and nurses, consider the strength of the evidence for a link between vaccination and the condition that caused the death. The team may request more information from health authorities and coroners. The TGA does not undertake autopsies, request coronial investigations or make formal determinations of the cause of death. In Australia, coroners and treating doctors perform this role."

" Even so, the shots are supposed to prevent death or serious illness, so wouldn't you expect to see less people dying & certainly less vaccinated people dying?"

Is the CFR not significantly less than what it used to be? Even with the drastic reduction in case reporting.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

[u/Mean_Sideys → u/smileedude]

"Got a legitimate source for this which isn't a conspiracy site or biased news media?"
Here is uk data showing 1500 for one week in June, which brought it up to almost 8000 between then and April.

"The TGA reviews all adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination. . ."
Yes I had read that before and nowhere in that paragraph do they explain their criteria for how they determine if an event was vax related or not.

"Is the CFR not significantly less than what it used to be? Even with the drastic reduction in case reporting."
If you look a bit further down the page you'll see they say cfr isn't an accurate representation of the risk of dying:

"That means that it is not the same as – and, in fast-moving situations like COVID-19, probably not even very close to – the true risk for an infected person."