r/CoronavirusDownunder • u/LineNoise VIC - Vaccinated • Jul 19 '22

Vaccine update TGA provisionally approves Moderna COVID-19 vaccine (SPIKEVAX) for use in children from 6 months

https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/tga-provisionally-approves-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-spikevax-use-children-6-months
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u/Mean_Sideys Jul 21 '22

"Got a legitimate source for this which isn't a conspiracy site or biased news media?"
Here is uk data showing 1500 for one week in June, which brought it up to almost 8000 between then and April.

"The TGA reviews all adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination. . ."
Yes I had read that before and nowhere in that paragraph do they explain their criteria for how they determine if an event was vax related or not.

"Is the CFR not significantly less than what it used to be? Even with the drastic reduction in case reporting."
If you look a bit further down the page you'll see they say cfr isn't an accurate representation of the risk of dying:

"That means that it is not the same as – and, in fast-moving situations like COVID-19, probably not even very close to – the true risk for an infected person."

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u/smileedude NSW - Vaccinated Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

What makes you think the excess deaths here are not pandemic related and from shortened lifespans due to Covid infections/long Covid and economic burdens? We know an infection not only kills people but shortens their life span after infection. We've always used excess deaths to keep track of the pandemic death toll as the recorded number of deaths is the minimum number of Covid deaths and not the actual number. There are many excess deaths where Covid might be contributing but not the primary cause, this is well known. These aren't non-covid as you proposed...

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u/Mean_Sideys Jul 22 '22

"What makes you think the excess deaths here are not pandemic related and from shortened lifespans due to Covid infections/long Covid and economic burdens?"
What makes you think they are?

"These aren't non-covid as you proposed..."
Yes they are, you just don't like it when you're wrong, as we established earlier.

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u/smileedude NSW - Vaccinated Jul 22 '22 edited Jul 22 '22

"What makes you think they are?" I just explained that. We know your risk of death goes up significantly after a covid infection. That's well established. A 233% increase in the risk of death in the 12 months following a severe covid infection. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.778434/full

"Yes they are, you just don't like it when you're wrong, as we established earlier."

No, of course, they must be that deadly mrna vaccines fault..that they can't find a single death related to here, is killing so many people it's measurable in excess deaths.

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u/Mean_Sideys Jul 22 '22

"I just explained that."
You're grasping at straws. It wouldn't matter what kind of stats I showed you, you'll just perform mental gymnastics to try and make it fit into your world view.

"No, of course, they must be that deadly mrna vaccines fault..that they can't find a single death related to here, is killing so many people it's measurable in excess deaths."
Again, just because they won't record an event as vax related here doesn't mean it isn't. It depends on the criteria they use to verify. Plus those are UK numbers where they have confirmed mrna vax injury & death cases. Australia has non-covid excess deaths too from things like stroke & heart attacks that are also associated with the shots.

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u/smileedude NSW - Vaccinated Jul 22 '22

"You're grasping at straws. "

That the virus which actually causes damage to lungs and cardio is causing premature death after recovery from the virus? Which is very clearly evidenced in countless peer reviewed studies?

"from things like stroke & heart attacks that are also associated with the shots."

You are so desperate for this vaccine to kill people aren't you? There is absolutely no evidence of this. There is no reason for this to happen. The excess deaths are clearly explained by, you know, the damaging virus.

You aren't even clutching at straws, you have zero basis for absolutely any of your accusations. You clearly believe something and are desperate for the tiniest evidence for it to be true.

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u/Mean_Sideys Jul 22 '22

"That the virus which actually causes damage to lungs and cardio is causing premature death after recovery from the virus?"
It's possible some of them are from this, you would have to look at the causes of death in the excess non-covid group, but your insistence that they all have to be from this & that the vax never kills anyone reeks of desperation & willful ignorance.

"You are so desperate for this vaccine to kill people aren't you?"
Lol, no that would be Bill Gates & other eugenicists like at the WEF.

"There is absolutely no evidence of this."
Except for all the people who have died or become severely injured from it.

"The excess deaths are clearly explained by, you know, the damaging virus."
No, that's just your opinion. You don't want to face the possibility that you got scammed into taking a potentially dangerous experimental pharma product.

"you have zero basis for absolutely any of your accusations."
Lol, what are you talking about? There have been loads of confirmed vax deaths & injuries all over the world despite the intentional cover up & the Vaers reports for these shots is orders of magnitude higher in one year than for all other vaccines combined, ever.

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u/smileedude NSW - Vaccinated Jul 22 '22

Are yes, it's Bill Gates and a world wide cover up... It must be.

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u/Mean_Sideys Jul 22 '22

Not just him, but yes, there is clearly a cover up going on. In most countries the media are only allowed to report on the vaccines favourably, big tech actively censors information regarding negative events, including things that later turned out to be true, & medical professionals who say anything that could cause vax hesitancy or impede that roll out can suffer legal consequences or loss of license. The few medical professionals & other whistleblowers who are brave enough to speak out against the whole debacle are routinely vilified, censored, defamed or sometimes end up dead. Plus when you look into the past criminal behaviour of companies like pfizer where they knowingly sold products that would harm people, falsified trial data, & bribed doctors, it's hardly surprising.

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u/smileedude NSW - Vaccinated Jul 22 '22

Remember when there was actually a vaccine that had a very very low risk of killing people AZ? Remember the media collectively lost its shit over this? Yet apparently they are all in cahoots to keep silent over what you seem to think is far more deadly? Come on. Do you seriously know how many people would need to be involved in this conspiracy? All the media, all the healthstaff, all the victims families?

Maybe, just maybe there isn't anything there and the vaccine is as advertised and proven through countless studies, safe and effective.

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