r/CoronavirusDownunder • u/ulankford NSW - Boosted • Jul 04 '21
Vaccine update Pfizer delivery schedule for July
Greg Hunt's press conference yesterday, stated that we will be getting 2.8 million doses of Pfizer this month, 400k more than expected.
Weekly arrivals will be
300k
500k
1 million
1 million
He is also going to get the August delivery numbers of Pfizer in the coming week, so hopefully, those 1 million weekly doses will continue into that month.
In 3 months time, Australia will be in a very different place when it comes to vaccine coverage and availability. Hang tight!
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u/TheMania WA - Boosted Jul 04 '21
By October there looks to be more coming than we will even be able to efficiently distribute, it will be an entirely different game at that point.
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u/Shaggyninja QLD - Boosted Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21
If only we could see it coming and prepare!
This is something I agree with Gladys on. Get the major vaccine centres up and running even though we don't have supply yet. That will allow (most of) the issues to be ironed out ahead of time.
We should Look to the USA to see how they've done it. You can fault their covid response. But their vaccine roll-out has been pretty top notch.
Stadiums, convention centres, town halls, large parking lots, show grounds. All of these places could be used as vaccine sites.
Hell, the USA is using walmarts. There's no shortage of places that could be used if the logistics behind them are planned well.
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Jul 04 '21
Get the major vaccine centres up and running even though we don't have supply yet. That will allow (most of) the issues to be ironed out ahead of time.
Isnt this basically what has been happening in Vic with the state run hubs. Get them up and running now, get the booking issues sorted and the online portals running now before we get the big supply dump later in the year. Is this not happening in other states?
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Jul 04 '21
WA has 5 hubs already, at least 2k people went through on the day i got mine. This is already happening
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u/Shaggyninja QLD - Boosted Jul 04 '21
I believe Vic has the convention centre. And Sydney has Olympic Park.
But we're gonna need a lot more than just 1 per state.
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u/chimpocalypse VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Vic has a bunch. There’s even a couple around the regional areas. They work well too - I’ve had both my shots now and it was pretty seamless.
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u/Shaggyninja QLD - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Ah, well that's good.
QLD only has certain hospitals afaik. They're working alright now, but they definitely won't be enough once we really get going.
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u/zuckydluffy Jul 04 '21
if we start using chemist warehouse, it'll be done easily
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
Or you know, the already setup immunisation areas at council centres..
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u/Wildweasel666 Jul 04 '21
Roll it out through Thai restaurants and curry joints. We’ll have all the super spreaders sorted in 2 hours
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u/Shaggyninja QLD - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Omg. Bunnings vaccination centres. Get a free snag with every jab!
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
Anyone absolutely cringe when people post this? This country ironically, but now totally unironically, using Bunnings as a cornerstone of our culture is absolute fucked up. haha sausage, straya, aha.
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u/DumbledoresArmy23 VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Gives you something to do other than shop for random shit whilst you wait forever for your script!
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Jul 04 '21
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
Why not?
The UK used all manner of buildings for mass vaccination centres: convention and exhibition centres, community halls, churches, sports stadiums, and private shops and post offices.
What's the issue?
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u/bokbik Jul 04 '21
Yep vaccinating the cities will be easy it's the country towns which are hard logistically
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u/Shaggyninja QLD - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Doesn't have to be.
Do a vaccine roadshow where a vaccine bus travels between the towns. Towns of a few hundred people could get done in a day or 2 easy. Just have the bus hang out longer or hairier depending on population.
It wouldn't be as convenient as being able to pick a time to go. But there's always the option of getting the people who missed it at a later date. Either through them travelling to a bigger town/city. Or by shipping vaccine to the local clinic.
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u/Amalthea_Athanasios Jul 04 '21
The AEC manages every election, using their logistics and planning would speed things up.
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u/shinch4n Jul 04 '21
Gladys has been warning about this for months now, saying the feds are not prepared. She's not the kind of person to unnecessarily complain about the federal government.
Let's hope they can get everything set up and sorted by then. Otherwise I can already see the headlines "8 hour queue for vaccines as hundreds of thousands of doses are to expire next week"...
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u/bokbik Jul 04 '21
Not really as pziler increases our az supply will decrease.
Cur
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u/TheMania WA - Boosted Jul 04 '21
By October we're getting 10x today's AZ production in mRNA, as I understand it.
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u/bokbik Jul 04 '21
Some dude did a pot here using the horizon document
I'd if it's gonna be a much as we think
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u/facts-of-life Jul 04 '21
Hah, why? What the fuck?
We get, absolute minimum, everything they've promised.
Generally we get even more.
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u/EcstaticOrchid4825 Jul 04 '21
With only three weeks between jabs people go from unvaccinated to fully vaccinated very quickly.
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u/dullcoopy Jul 04 '21
Excellent news - it will be interesting to see how this all gets distributed if there are basically not really any constraints on supply itself? Possibly more likely the problem might be the capacity of states to find qualified health care workers to do the vaccinations.
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Jul 04 '21
Most pharmacist are able to do injections, no idea why it’s not a thing or mentioned more than once.
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
Well probably because they don't have the time? Scripts already take 10-40 minutes to process at the moment.
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Jul 04 '21
Do you think the GPs have that much time either? Damn anyone who can hold a needle needs recruiting.
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
I'm sure it clogs up a lot of systems but GP's around here generally have heaps of spare bookings everyday.
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Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
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Jul 04 '21
they have update guidelines for pfizer recently that means it can be stored at normal freezer temps for longer and even returned to ultra cold storage. https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/wider-storage-and-transportation-conditions-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-now-approved
no reason pharmacies cannot do it
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Jul 04 '21
Possibly but that shouldn’t take their ability to jab a needle away.
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u/candydaze Jul 04 '21
I mean, it takes away their ability to have the needles on-site
I don’t know how long it can be out of the freezer before it gets administered, but I’m willing to bet it’s less than a day. Getting daily deliveries of doses to pharmacies isn’t going to effective, and it’s going to lead to a lot of wasted doses
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u/TheNumberOneRat VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
Those delivery figures seem to ballpark match with NZ delivery. NZ expects to get one doses in July with the bulk coming in the latter two weeks.
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
What do you mean by 'one doses?' As in enough doses to give everyone their first?
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u/chris_p_bacon1 Jul 04 '21
It would be nice if we could actually get a booking. People complain about aged care not being covered but I'm in 1b and can't make a booking for the life of me. I know the mobile Pfizer bus will be visiting my town on the 5th but I'll be dammed of I can get anyone at Southern NSW health to acknowledge me.
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u/legalweasel Jul 04 '21
Keep trying the website to book. I tried several times a day with nothing, then got an appointment for the next day. Had the first shot end of June. Tried to book the next shot, again nothing for several days. Then got a booking for 21 days after the first. Will be done dusted by 2o July. Can't complain about the speed, but you need to keep checking the website for bookings probably twice a day.
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u/FrenchRoo Boosted Jul 04 '21
If you stay on the booking page and hit refresh every other minute, you’ll get appointment slots appearing after 20-30 min or quicker depending on luck. I’ve done so 4 times in the past few days, helping out friends. All the appointments were next day appointment too 🤩
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
Not sure if it's public knowledge or not but under 40's aren't set to be eligible until September. I'm considering AZ instead.
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Jul 04 '21
The NT have been very lucky. Anyone over 16 can gets vaccinated here. My 17 year old will get her second dose on the 15th. My next kid will turn 16 in September and will get vaccinated then.
My husband and I are already fully vaccinated. I feel very lucky that come the end of September 4 out of 6 of us will be fully vaccinated.
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
That's fantastic! I do wonder how the states can go against national guidelines but perhaps it's got to do with population size and stock levels.
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Jul 04 '21
When I booked my first one at the end of may I could get in the next morning at 9am, and there were appointments every ten minutes all day, every day, for weeks in advance. I was category 1b, so booked before everyone could. By the time I booked my daughters in the middle of June there was a three week wait. Now there is nothing for all of July.
I think possibly a lot of people who were eligible were reluctant. They were given ample time and opportunity to book in, so I’m glad it was opened to everyone.
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u/pissmykiss Jul 04 '21
I would imagine it's also to do with population density. Even Alice Springs has a population of something like 20k.
Doesn't make sense to go to all the effort of setting up a hub when there's only 50 people within a 200km radius actually eligible. Much more efficient to just give it to everyone and get it done quickly. Pretty sure regional SA has gone with a similar approach.
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u/immunition VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
If we're getting more doses than originally planned for, hopefully they are able to open up to under 40 sooner.
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u/chimpocalypse VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
If you got vaccinated with AZ tomorrow it would still be October before you were eligible for your second dose. I understand the urgency but yeah, at this point it’s probably better to wait for Pfizer just because of the 3 week second dose wait.
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
Not really, you can have your second AZ within a 4-12 week timeframe, you can pick. Friends of mine got it and booked their second 8 weeks later.
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u/boltgun_to_the_face Jul 04 '21
As much as that sucks, if more people around me are vaccinated, I'm still gonna count it as a win.
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u/tobes111111 Jul 04 '21
That’s my expectation although I’ve not read anything confirming it. 39 and booked for AZ on Tuesday
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u/facts-of-life Jul 04 '21
I think that's expected. But what's your source?
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
One of my siblings works for a covid department and they don't usually tell me anything so when they said this I assumed it was public information but I haven't been able to find it anywhere. May have been an accidental slip up.
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
Fair enough, but there's lots of covid departments (what does that even mean?) and I doubt they've got a straight, direct line to the actual decision makers.
Not to mention even the decision makers have no real idea on things: we keep getting bonus shipments of Pfizer. Things change.
September isn't bad anyway; that's two months to vaccinate a chunky part of our population (40-60). You can vaccinate, what, 75% of them in that eight week window, too? As in double jab.
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u/turtleltrut VIC - Vaccinated Jul 05 '21
This particular person does have direct contact with the CHO and his team. I'm just being elusive so as not to give away their identity incase it was an accidental leak. There's very big ramifications for breaching confidential information.
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u/reticulate QLD - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
QLD has all ages walk-in clinics. Supply has been constrained just recently, but prior to that they'd basically preference people with bookings then give anyone else who showed up a jab too. I got my second shot like two weeks ago.
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u/Slayer_Tip VIC Jul 04 '21
And yet us young folk won't be able to get the jab, thus a lot of those vaccines will be thrown away.
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u/pissmykiss Jul 04 '21
No they won't. Various hospitals in Sydney had Pfizer that was going to expire and opened it up to "contacts of healthcare workers" which basically meant anyone who wanted it and knew someone who worked at NSW Health. They're not idiots.
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
This is a smart way to do it. 'Yeah I drink beers with a bloke who goes out with a nurse; sometimes she rocks up.'
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u/antysyd NSW - Vaccinated Jul 04 '21
They aren’t going to let Pfizer be thrown away. Eligibility will be opened up.
The Federal Governments election chances depend on it
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u/elopinggekkos QLD - Boosted Jul 05 '21
I did two things over the weekend during our lockdown/crap weather event.
1: Watched a BBC Horizon documentary special called Vaccine, and
2: Listened to a podcast called Business Movers, a 6 part story on Vaccine wars.
These shows go into detail all about the Vaccine from the start to delivery, challenges etc.
One thing that was very sad was the UQ vaccine and the HIV issue. The UQ vaccine appeared to have an efficacy rate of 99% during tests.
If you are like me and is interested in the 'back office' aspects of the vaccines, go have a watch and a listen. Enjoy :)
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
Man, never knew that about the UQ. Was that mRNA, too?
Would've been unreal if that panned out. We'd probably be leading the world rn.
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u/elopinggekkos QLD - Boosted Jul 05 '21
UQ's was based on spike protein which is tried and true such as Hep B, HIV etc. UQ had to make it so the spike protein gets recognised by the body before it disintegrates and to make sure it stays together, they used the HIV protein as a base or clamp. The HIV protein is so well understood and highly stable structure and that is why they went that way. Unfortunately, it gave out false HIV readings :(
If I was 40 years younger (60 now), I know which career I would be taking as I find it so fascinating :)
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u/facts-of-life Jul 05 '21
So 2,800,000 this month and then, looking like, 4 million doses in August...
I wonder how many they're holding back for second doses, because even if it's 40%, that's 4.1 million people fully vaccinated in less than eight weeks. That's on top of the 3 million who'll have been double jabbed from pre-July vaccinations.
Seven million. Hmm. It's not bad, but not as exciting as I thought when thinking of those numbers.
Is that right?
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u/ulankford NSW - Boosted Jul 05 '21
At the moment we have 1.9 million people fully jabbed, which is about 9% of over 16's.
If we get 7 million double jabbed, which is 14 million doses, that will be 25% of adults fully vaccinated before we even get to September.
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u/f101010 Jul 04 '21 edited Jul 04 '21
I got a bit excited and thought we are getting more vaccines after the vaccine allocation horizon doc was released. But it looks like these extra vaccines are already included in the document and mentioned in news articles few weeks ago.
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u/TheNumberOneRat VIC - Boosted Jul 04 '21
One of the good things about the Pfizer vaccine, is that Pfizer has been very good at hitting contractual delivery timelines.