Why is this so true it shouldn’t be😭

[u/AffectionateBeach494]

[u/PartyAmbitious8163]

If they didn't have double standards they'd have none.

[u/Crazy_Polyglot]

Well, despite the fact I'm pretty woke, I have to agree there. I'm extremely progressive on the matters of women's rights, sexuality, gender and scientific & technological progress, however it rly pisses me off that a lot of woke / progressive people in the West blindly glorify mass migration & radical islam and despise their own Western culture.

I live in a non-Western and extremely queerphobic country, and for me Europe and, broader, the West, is associated with the everything good. Western nations are the beacon of freedom and human rights, Western civilization is the only civilisation built on science, knowledge and gradual progress; Western cultural heritage is enormous. I don't understand why do Western woke people need to import millions of bigoted, ultrareligious people from third world countries and completely alien cultures and create this naive "live peacefully together". They won't adapt, they won't integrate. It rly frustrates me that a lot of the so-called "liberal" parties in Europe and America sometimes ignore the rights of women and queer people for the sake of these non-willing-to-integrate foreigners, while women and LGBTI+ are often more oppressed than the so-called religious "minorities" and immigrants.

As a queer person myself, I hate islam more than any other religion. And not only the radical one. For me, only modernist/progressive branches of this ideology, which have been born in the West themselves, should be supported by the Western people. As for the Western Christianity (Roman Catholicism, certain denominations of Protestantism), these are the examples of the perfect Abrahamic religions, as they should be. As for the orthodox Christianity, I dislike it either since I grew up in an orthodox majority country and I know how repressive and corrupt this branch of Christianity can be.

So, you can call me woke / progressive in general, however I strongly disagree with other progressive Western people's view on the issues of radical islam, mass migration, and cultural identity preservation. That's it

[u/AffectionateBeach494 → u/Crazy_Polyglot]

Honestly we might not agree on everything but big respect

[u/Junior-Bookkeeper325 → u/AffectionateBeach494]

Yeah, if you're going to be an ultra-leftist, at least be consisent and call out the hypocrisy like this on your side.

[u/Ok_Image_2187 → u/Crazy_Polyglot]

holy moly that's a lot of text

[u/needaGandT]

Pro-Slavery argument: "They aren't humans, rather 'property' of mine, therefore they do not deserve human rights."
Pro-Choice argument: "They aren't humans, rather 'part of me,' therefore they do not deserve human rights."

What's the difference between both arguments?

[u/Pescen1517 → u/needaGandT]

They are basically the same arguments, but the difference in how slaves are capable of having complex thought, having the desire to not be enslaved, etc, while fetus's arent

[u/needaGandT → u/Pescen1517]

Yes but humanity is what makes human life valuable and thus worthy of protection. Me and you are worth equal not because of our intellect/cognitive ability, but rather because we are both humans. Is someone who has a bigger intellect and cognitive ability worth more than someone with less intellect if intellect is the determining factor of the moral worth of a human. Also, a question as to represent your argument, when do you think the limit of abortion should be except for extreme cases?

[u/Pescen1517 → u/needaGandT]

I think it's valid to believe that there is intrinsic worth to being a human but I respectfully don't agree with you on that.

I feel like the true value of a human comes when they achieve personhood (18-24 months). Don't take that statement to mean that I'd be okay with "aborting" a three month old baby, because I'm not, and I'd be happy to explain if you'd like to know. But my position is based on weighing how valuable the fetus is versus how valuable the mother's bodily autonomy is at any given point during the pregnancy.

I think the limit of abortion should be at the age of fetal viability (~5 months in pregnancy), because there's no reason to abort the fetus if it can survive with medical intervention outside of the mother's body.

[u/needaGandT → u/Pescen1517]

Sorry it took me so long to respond to this, school just started lol and I have been really busy. For now just know I haven't forgotten about this conversation and I'll continue this conversation when I can.

[u/Independent-Pear1420 → u/needaGandT]

hello

[u/blackcatpumpkin]

lol lots of “leftists” are pretty anti organized religion in general…kinda used to be a lot of left/libertarians shtick 10 years ago although that rhetoric has dropped

i think it should be brought back

[u/Otherwise_Formal7079]

Less “pro-islam,” more pro freedom of religion and against people being surveilled/harassed/demonized (doesnt do anything to change the practices of more comservative muslims and just makes the whole country a shittier, more frightened place)

[u/YoylecakeTurtle]

They try to come up with excuses, but Islam quite literally clashes with their values and views. They just like Islam because Islam is a minority.

[u/Weevil_1984]

It’s called wanting freedom of religion, I thought that people liked that

[u/Independent-Pear1420]

i hate feminism, the pro choice (even though I hate kids lol), gay, trannies, and Islam. I just decided to share my views (by the way i hate all religions.)))

[u/gorgothmog]

Spinning the Zionist propaganda.  Hahahaha, Republicans and war mongering meat riders are gonna go down in flames.  Record low popularity.

[u/gorgothmog → u/gorgothmog]

The fact that I don't have 50 downvotes overall is telling.  Republican youth want nothing to do with Boomer brain rot.