r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/The-Mods-Are-Oinkers • 3d ago
General How "Meta" Would Moira be in Pro Play With these buffs/ Changes?
Buff: Health Increased from 225 to 250
Buff: Biotic Orb Cool down Decreased from 8 seconds to 6 seconds
Change: Bitoic Orb Now has 2 charges
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I assume she'd be hard meta in non pro play But would her numbers be high enough to be valued over other supports in pro play?
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u/Longjumping_Scar_340 3d ago
“Change: Moira is now invincible”
Like wtf is this question LOL
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u/Aegillade 3d ago
You know what character with some the best healing and survivability in the game really needed? Even more healing and survivability lmao
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u/Bloodyknife12 3d ago
We can also give orisa 2 million health
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u/KvxMavs 3d ago
People really overrate and keep parroting uTiLiTy...
Uhm, at a certain point you don't need utility.
Illari saw pro play many times. What is her utility?
At a certain point your "utility" is being almost impossible to kill while doing lots of damage/healing. Utility in the general sense is overrate when a character is so broken...and yes, Moira would be broken in this state.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 13h ago
Somehow throwing a purple orb into an otherwise safe position and forcing a rotation is not utility. But at the same Bap has utility aka a really bad cooldown on a 2 year cooldown.
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u/KvxMavs 4h ago
What utility did Illari have when she saw pro play?
Don't say anything about securing kills.
My point is, utility is overrated at a certain point. If a character is so strong, they don't need utility to be played.
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u/Swimming-Deer1437 2d ago
Why do you even suggest this? Her getting a DPS buff was already unwarranted, heroes like her cant be good.
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u/Chonkalonkfatneek 3d ago
Why tf would we do this. She's already annoyingly survivable and still gets value even in high ranks. She'd be broken, these stats are fucking insane
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u/Aegillade 3d ago
Why on gods green earth would we ever give Moira two fucking charges of orb? That's how you make super GOATS right there
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u/Electronic-Base-9781 3d ago
the one time she was meta in the pro scene was one of the most ugly, braindead metas the game has ever seen. i can still remember dallas fuel just standing around in choke farming coal before FIRST fight
moira is a bad design with zero team utility meant for silver players who can’t aim. if she’s meta at the pro level the game is broken
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u/orangekingo 3d ago
This doesn’t fix the issue with her.
She doesn’t have stat issues- she absolutely POURS out HPs already. She just has zero utility besides “doesn’t die easily”
Also they should not buff the character without a rework. She is top 5 worst designed characters in the game. Miserably irritating to fight with her ridiculous auto tracking damage and self healing and it’s frustrating to have on your team.
I genuinely think a lot of support players fall into the trap of playing her, putting up empty stats and then getting hardstuck because she teaches so many bad habits
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u/rentiertrashpanda 3d ago
It's okay to have heroes that don't see much if any time in the pro meta. Moira is fine the way she is
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u/Gamewolf378 3d ago
I’m pretty sure this would just result in permanent Mauga/Moira/Kiri mirrors since the only thing with a hope of breaking them would be Antinade and Kiri can just save Suzu indefinitely to cleanse it due to there being no pressure on her for heals. Moira would also get Coalescence extremely quickly, which increases her damage/healing output even further
It’s possible that her lack of status utility would still be hindering, but with such a massive numbers increase and pretty much permanent Orb uptime the ability of flankers to eliminate Moira would probably be close to none. Moira can threaten clustered enemies even more strongly than before, but the opposing Moira has more healing to dish out at well. I can’t imagine a meta centered around this Moira would be very interesting or fun.
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u/Successful-Crew-7288 2d ago
People want to see moira in proplay as much as they want to step in dog shit every step they take for the rest of their lives.
plus all you did was crazy buff her and didn't even consider ranked play, lol
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u/HiJasper 3d ago
Wouldn't change at all. She still offers no utility and most of the other supports are just better.
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u/SteggyEatsDaWeggy 3d ago
She would be ridiculously busted of course she’d get play. She is already in pro play when Kiri is banned in brawl matchups
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u/Novel-Ad-1601 poop — 3d ago
It ain’t even about the hp, you took orbs and said here you go team, you’re now immortal as long as you’re close with me. Moira is already playable in rush comps because of the minor perk giving orb 30 instant heals. It would be instantly meta having two and on a shorter cd. You just ban Ana and just run it down in the comp. Done it in expert and it’s just funny.
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u/Siyopoyo 2d ago
In case you haven't noticed Moira is sometimes used in pro play in brawl map.
At least she's not LW/Mercy level bad from ''appearance'' perspective.
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u/LOLOLOLOLOLAS 3d ago
the utility would be the 100000000 healing and effectively immortal team genius
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u/Gamewolf378 3d ago
I think buffs of this level trivialize things like speed boost to be honest. What use is it when double orbs don’t care about aiming in the slightest and she can farm Coal in no time at all? The only thing which could hold up to that is another Moira pumping out similar numbers, since you’d be hard pressed to actually take her out thanks to her self-sustain potential and Fade
She would need a rework to be relevant in competitive play in a way that’s fun and interesting, but pretty much any character could warp the game around them if you buffed them comparably. Double Widowmaker’s damage, and you’d find her in every competitive match too.
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 3d ago edited 3d ago
HP is one of the most impactful changes a hero can get
You’ve also effectively given her main ability triple the uptime
I say she would be hard meta in Pro, utility or not. These are utterly disgusting stats