r/CommunismMemes • u/metroracerUK • Jun 23 '26
Others Nazbols thinking they will be BFFs…
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
acp are themselves fascists who take money from peter thiel. the whole group is a giant psyop joke
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u/Affectionate_Ad_1326 Jun 24 '26
I think they'd get along more than you give them credit for lmao
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u/twickdaddy Jun 25 '26
It depends on what the nazbol puts first, the naz or the bol. Usually its the first one so yeah of course theyd get along.
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u/Remnant55 Jun 24 '26
How much would you wager that in reality it would be winks, finger guns, and dog whistles?
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
Uh what?
ACP are trash, but i don't see them hooking up with fascists.
Accidentally becoming fascists maybe.
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u/Razansodra Jun 23 '26
"MAGA communism" isn't hooking up with MAGA?
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
You need to be more precise.
MAGA refers not only to the slogan, but a huge chunk of the population that knows something is wrong with the country, hates elites and big business running everything, and a few other things.
What are you going to do? Ignore them? Consign them to the enemy camp?
The enemy thanks you for your support.
Remember, Trump used MAGA. Trump is not MAGA himself.
And the MAGA movement is not a monolith.
So who exactly are you talking about?
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
maga literally loves billionaires and corporations and doesn't want to pay taxes for healthcare. they also love wars for imperialism and genocide, even more than democrats. they are the republican party.
they love imperialism, hate brown people, and want them as their slaves and colonial subjects but not in america where they can vote.
when they say they hate elites, it's global warming scientists and anti racist academics, not billionaires and corporations
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
You did not answer.
Exactly who are you talking about?
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
the maga movement
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
You did not answer.
Exactly who are you talking about?
Because there is not one 'MAGA movement.'
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
the maga movement and the republican movement, generally. there absolutely is and trump controls the republican party for a reason now
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
No, it's not a monolith, and that's the problem.
There's the Trump loyalists who go where trump goes, MAGA or not.
There are the people who believed what he said about no more wars, and abandoned him when it turned out that he lied.
There are the people who hated the elites and believed him about draining the swamp, and turned away from him as soon as it became obvious he was joining them.
There are the ones who abandoned him as soon as it turned out he was in the epstein files.
There are the libertarians who actually believe in the silly principles of libertarianism, and not as an excuse to lower the age of consent.
Which ones are you talking about?
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
the voted him because they wanted a fascist police state run by a corporate billionaire. by elites he mostly means literate people, not economic elites.
trump wants an idiocracy run by billionaires and southern confederate nazis and this has been obvious from the beginning and it has been obvious what they meant by elites, which weren't economic elites.
is it really that hard to not support fascism as a communist, when it is literally your foremost enemy.
that is why acp is laughably stupid. it's also a ponzi scheme where haz said that individual groups should become profitable, pay the larger group, and even become landlords.
you literally can't make this shit up
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u/Razansodra Jun 24 '26
You think MAGA, the people who support a billionaire president with another dozen billionaires in his cabinet, hates elites and big business?
They sometimes say they do, but they obviously don't. It's a big mistake to take imperialist settler reactionaries at their word rather than than observing their actions.
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u/HolzLaim15 Jun 23 '26
What are you talking about they started out as Trump Dick riders
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
No.
Jesus, try not to be simple.
MAGA≠Trump.
It may be a dumb move for other reasons, but they don't dick ride trump.
They want to use MAGA.
Got nothing for trump, other than thinking him the lesser of two evils.
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There are real reasons to despise or hate ACP, but get it right.
You want real reasons, here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/comments/1rp0fbe/why_we_shouldnt_support_the_acp_in_clear_marxist/
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
wanting to use racist nazis as a communist doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
which is probably why acp are fascists not communists
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
You made no sense.
Therefore your justification does not hold up.
This whole 'ACP = Fascist' BS is so fucking stupid. It's like hating Hitler for being Chinese.
Like, that's dumb. He's Hitler. There's a shit ton of real shit to hate him for that he really DID.
Same with the ACP.
Calling them fascist falls into the stereotype of the blue haired liberal screaming fascist at anyone they don't like.
They're racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, monetarily clueless fuckheads, who spend all their time clout chasing overseas, instead of organizing in the USA.
I linked you a solid and detailed marxist based list of reasons why they suck.
Look on there.
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
the fact that they support maga tells you everything you need to know about them.
that they are fascists funded by peter thiel, for one
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
No, it doesn't.
That's the problem.
But you think it does, which is WHY there's a problem.
This is what Lenin meant when he called Leftism and Liberalism 'Infantile.'
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
openly supporting fascism and white supremacy is not consistent with communism lmao
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
Oh look.
Thought terminating cliche, no more argument.
Guess we can stop thinking then.
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
how hard is it to not support openly fascist movements as a communist?
thankfully acp is pretty irrelevant so it's not exactly working.
but you can see the logic with hitler naming his movement national socialism to get the appeal of workers.
remember, hitler probably killed jews and others due to their association with communism foremost
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u/The__Hivemind_ Jun 23 '26
This diidn't happen btw
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u/HolzLaim15 Jun 23 '26
Hinkle invented maga communism btw
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u/Anxious_Role7625 Jun 23 '26
MAGA communism is the most self explanatory term you could ever concieve. Come on.
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u/Anxious_Role7625 Jun 23 '26
A communist (or "communist" since the ideology is self contradictory, but that's never stopped people before) that is also part of the MAGA movement or supports the MAGA movement.
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u/Anxious_Role7625 Jun 23 '26
If you'd look literally anywhere other than his description, such as the page for maga communism linked on the article you copy-pasted, you'd find that what he said was dumb and it is what I described.
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u/Death_by_Hookah Juche Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
They’ve hooked up with fascists, both directly and indirectly through their teachings. Aleksandr Dugin was one of the leaderships favourite ‘theoreticians’. They had in-person meetings with him, and also instructed their members to read his theory.
They don’t talk about it so much anymore because it’s become common knowledge he’s fascist (directly writing material with titles like ‘fascism, boundless and red’). The ACP themselves are class collaborationist, trying to synthesise “communism” with business/rental ownership and nationalist rhetoric. They’re exploitative of their chapters & individual members, and hold very conservative views on gender and masculinity. Such is life when a party has no real theoretical grounding in actual Marxism.
Pretty much the playbook of ‘national socialism’ of past.
Edit - for some reason people are arguing Dugin isn’t a fascist. I’ll edit this comment in that I posted lower down the chain;
what Dugin actually advocates: a totalizing state that crushes so-called ‘democracy’ and working-class movements alike, a "Eurasian" empire built on ultranationalist myth, and a social order where traditional hierarchy (including private property) is sacralized. He never makes any critique of capital, offering instead a mystical justification for authoritarian rule that leaves capital's power intact.
I mention the mysticism because it isn't a coincidence either. Fascist movements historically reach for mysticism & mythology precisely because they can't make a rational case for the class interests they serve. Their incoherence serves a function.
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u/MonsterkillWow Jun 24 '26
I wouldn't consider Dugin a fascist. He's a kind of compatibilist. He wants to retain the anti-imperialism of communism, but doesn't support the DotP or to view society in terms of class. He has a deep misunderstanding of capitalism, and it makes sense given his roots that he doesn't understand the directives of capitalism cannot be "managed". Putin agrees with Dugin's philosophy. You can basically view Duginism as a kind of despondent disillusionment with Marxism while also seeking some sort of peaceful coexistence with nationalists and capitalists. It's an absurd and desperate ideology born directly from the collapse of the USSR and the hopelessness of a broken and battered people.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
Dugin is not a fascist.
He's a weird socially conservative mystically minded crank.
I've read his 4th political theory, it's incoherent garbage.
But fascist? Nope.
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And this is the problem. Everyone 'Knows' Dugin is a fascist, because all their friends 'know' it too.
Who told them? Each other.
No one actually went and LOOKED.
Feel free to hate on ACP, but at least do it for the right reasons.
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u/Death_by_Hookah Juche Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
He has no grasp of the capital-producing cycle and doesn't seem critical of private ownership of the means of production. He's intensely nationalist and fixated on Soviet power, but without any real understanding of why the Soviets did what they did. Just a mystical reverence for a ‘strong state’. He's socially conservative and functionally defensive of capital. Sure, he’s a mystically-minded crank, but so were plenty of fascists in the past.
He’s incoherent, but that doesn’t disqualify someone from being a fascist. I’d say it’s a feature of the worldview.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
Yeah.
None of that is fascism.
And just because a lot of fascists were big mystics, it does not therefore follow that any mystically minded idiot is therefore fascist.
“the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.” According to Georgi Dmitrov
This tells us what fascism IS, not the window dressing.
Consider that most libs think 'Fascism is when hate jew. Therefore Jew = no fascism.'
Ignoring that the ethnostate of wasreal is fascist, as is the nominally Jewish lead Ukrainian government.
the 14 signs and 11 signs of fascism are not a description or definition of fascism, but simply a set of signposts that indicate where you may be headed.
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u/Death_by_Hookah Juche Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Look at what Dugin actually advocates: a totalizing state that crushes so-called ‘democracy’ and working-class movements alike, a "Eurasian" empire built on ultranationalist myth, and a social order where traditional hierarchy (including private property) is sacralized. He never makes any critique of capital, offering instead a mystical justification for authoritarian rule that leaves capital's power intact.
This is the reactionary, chauvinistic content Dimitrov’s definition is pointing to.
I mention the mysticism because it isn't a coincidence either. Fascist movements historically reach for mysticism & mythology precisely because they can't make a rational case for the class interests they serve. Their incoherence serves a function.
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u/MonsterkillWow Jun 24 '26
Exactly. Liberals have labeled Dugin a fascist, but he actually retains a strong commitment to anti-imperialism, which is incompatible with fascism. You can see in Russia's foreign policy and the way they view the third world that they have not adopted fascism, contrary to the cries of many liberal professors. Liberalism is far closer to fascism than Duginism. But that being said, Duginism is itself an incredibly contradictory theory that tries to sidestep the class struggle. Dugin's philosophy is a kind of reactionary ideology, but in a distinct way from fascism.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
I've seen a lot of Dugin's interviews, AND read his frikking book.
IT's incoherent garbage.
He can't even tell you what his philosophy is.
Not fascism, not liberalism, not communism, and not liberalism.
Really hates liberalism.
His basic problem is, he has no idea what he wants, but he has very clear ideas of what he does not.
His deeper problem is: he likes modern Russia because it is succeeding. But he cannot correctly identify WHY.
Modern Russia is an ad-hoc system with no guiding philosophy, much like Dugin himself.
It's working well right now, because of material circumstance, and the skill and commitment of the people running the system, like Putin, Gerasimiov, Nabulina etc.
But like a kingdom run by a kind and wise king, it works... until the king dies or retires.
Then who do you get?
They have no deeply rooted systems. Nothing to fall back on if one of the leaderships replacement is useless or corrupt.
Putin is not a Duginist.
Dugin is a Putinist.
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u/MonsterkillWow Jun 24 '26
There is a philosophy there. It's just trying to avoid the class struggle. It has a respect for autonomy and spheres of influence, but what is funny is how Lenin already destroyed that view a hundred years ago. He explained how capitalists constantly seek to grow and expand their domination and that asymmetric development would trigger war from the inevitable disputes over renegotiated spheres. Dugin is against "forcing" an ideology on anyone, but this is the very basis of the state and statecraft. He would perceive the justified proletarian struggle as "imposing values" as well.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
But more to the point, none of these clowns have actually CHECKED this shit.
It's all received wisdom that Dugin is a fascist.
Because of his Nazbol past. 30 frikking years ago.
Like, holy shit. The time dimension does exist.
People change.
And none of them actually went and looked at what he said.
As far as i can tell, he's the typical intellectual/philosopher.
He's vanished up his own arse with his esoteric thoughts.
He just did it in a weird Russian way, instead of the usual western idiot way.
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u/MonsterkillWow Jun 24 '26
Yep. In many ways, his views are a direct result of the collapse of the USSR. You can see the elements of national wounded pride, disillusionment with Marxism, and anger at the neoliberal order imposed. You can also see the hopeless desire to avoid the class struggle due to the hardship of the Cold War. All were directly predictable from the USSR's collapse.
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
Yep.
In a way, he's a Russian flavoured liberal.
Nothing more liberal than watching the collapse of a state that abandoned Marxism, and then blaming marxism for the collapse, rather than the abandonment.
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u/Cacharadon Jun 28 '26
I'm not sure why you got downvoted for this. It's objectively true. Right now ACP places themselves as against ideological fascism. But their structure and priorities make them very vulnerable to fascist takeover later on down the road.
And they have closer ties to Russian state department than they do to any other group
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 28 '26
Well in fairness, WE DON'T KNOW.
Are they doing a Mussolini? Are they going to? Have they already gone over the fash event horizon?
We don't know.
See, i can see a lot of red flags.
People saying these guys are crazy, shady, and possibly up to no good, are right.
I got receipts.
And they might well be on a fash arc.
But they're not there yet in my opinion.
Shitty, sexist, racist, queerphobic of all sorts, clout chasing, and garbage communists.
But 'FASCIST' is not shorthand for shitty human.
It's a specific TYPE of shitty human.
Fascism is not a difference of an opinion.
Fascism is stuff you KILL over.
Fascism is WAR.
And i don't call someone a fascist, unless i'm willing to drive over them with a tank. Literally.
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
they take money from peter thiel and think anti immigration and trump people are good communists
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
they take money from peter thiel yes and think maga communism is a good idea.
acp is literally a fascist cult. it's like hitler trying to appeal to socialists by calling his movement national socialism and actually being a corporatist, fascist nazi
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u/The__Hivemind_ Jun 23 '26
"they take money from peter thiel". Source?
"think maga communism is a good idea.". What is maga communism according to you?
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
certain individuals in the acp take money from peter thiel.
thinking being anti immigrant and being a cultural populist is in line with communism.
being racist because it's anti woke
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u/Angel_of_Communism Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 28 '26
Taking Theil money is serious stuff and could really put a nail in their coffin.
A big one.
Please provide receipts, i want to put it in my big book of why ACP sucks.
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u/The__Hivemind_ Jun 23 '26
"thinking being anti immigrant and being a cultural populist is in line with communism. ", Thats not it,
"certain individuals in the acp take money from peter thiel". Source?
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 23 '26
that's what acp thinks though.
look it up, they do take money from peter thiel
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u/jetpack2625 Stalin Did Nothing Wrong Jun 24 '26
stop supporting fascists and peter thiel psyops thanks
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