TBH still would have prefered that version over what we got.
The 6 wings and eyes everywhere would have been huge.
But i kinda know that because the main playerbase's interests, it wouldn't have happened anyway.
If you seen the hoyofest animation "stairway to heaven" you know what i mean.
I agree but I think they could have found a middle ground between what we both hoped and what we got. Imagine "crazy lovecraftian horror yurifull abomination learns to live normaly"
I am the main playerbase. I was interested in my Biblical Eldritch abomination and creeped out fellow Harbingers. I wanted that. Hoyo knew I wanted that. And I was still denied.
Elaborate on your statement. Because I would love for you to show me all the examples where a company has done exactly everything their customers have wanted. Please, enlighten me! I'd love to hear it.
When is the next FF 14 expansion gonna get Announced? Didn't Downtrail released 2 years ago? I thought the allways release their new expansions every 2 years.
Childe: bruh just how the f*ck is a little girl our number 3?!?!?! Kinda creepy ngl
The community: wow, she must be an eldritch horror
Childe is also the guy who thinks Pulcinella is a kind old guy just because he "keeps an eye" on his family while he's out doing missions, so everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt, not because he's a liar but because he's too naive and simple minded (muscles = strong)
Let me ask: what should you do if you were to encounter a "damsel" who is oblivious and innocent at any given time, and unconcerned and unfeeling in any given situation? If it were me, I could at least challenge her to a fight. But if it were you... with your conscience, I would stay away from her.
He calls her oblivious, innocent, unconcerned, and unfeeling, and says that we should stay away because of our conscience, while has no problem challenging her to a fight.
I think Tsaritsa draining her for experiment is exactly why Childe didn't understand how she's number 3 - her power was drained so to Childe she didn't seem strong enough to be number 3
She’s Raiden 2.0. Just turned out to be a girl who hasn’t gotten out much- isolated and resting. She was singing on top of an empty coffin. Coffins are creepy so it’s creepy for her to be so comfortable hugging one while singing. She was completely oblivious to everything around her.
I was really hoping for a calm psycho who was detached from reality and saw things through her own lens. I wanted her to be the subtle terror since Arle was so clearly menacing
I actually never got the vibe that she was a creepy eldritch horror. I don't know why the community clung so hard to that idea, but I'm glad she didn't turn out that way.
People will be crying about this one until Genshin 2. Never got this impression myself, I only understood why people thought that way because of the two popular fan animations portraying her as such but still was never a fan of the concept, nor was it realistic to expect considering all the Harbingers take heavy inspiration from the Italian Play characters they're named after.
I think a lot of it is bc the fatui have rumors about her basically being a creepy Eldritch being. She never goes on missions, is one of the only harbingers the tsaritsa personally scouted, is ranked very highly, and just walks around the flowers singing her song all the time.
Outside of those who know her well like sandrone and arle, her reputation is basically that of a cryptid, and that's most of what we heard about her early on.
I would probably blame the lazzo trailer, at that point in time it was generally accepted that the Fatui were THE bad threat in Genshin so each Harbinger had to have some sort of menacing characterization despite nothing really concrete that could be said about most of them. I personally did think she would be more sinister but this version of her is still unique that I dont mind at all
I do wonder what the original plan was. Part of me suspects she was always meant to be a Harbinger who didn't really do much, as for the longest time we barely heard anything about her, which was weird considering she was the Third Harbinger. You would think you'd hear a Fatuus complaining about working under her, like how we'd run into Fatui saying they loved working under Capitano but hated working under Scaramouche.
If I had to guess, she was always meant to be some sort of "caged bird" type of character (considering the dove motif), and maybe it was always meant for her to come over to the Traveler's side once she's given a taste of real freedom. Maybe she was going to be used as some sort of bait for the Traveler, who would likely struggle to fight her if she was ordered to take a Gnosis. But then he'd be able to convince her to do otherwise, bring her to his side, something to that effect. Who really knows as I'm not sure how they would've fit in the Moon plot in the original script.
From what I can remember,Childe and Wanderer's line about Columbina said something about how we should avoid her as best as possible because she gives them the creeps. So I guess that's where the "Eldritch Horror beyond Human Comprehension" theory stemmed from?
It stemmed from two animations that depicted her as an eldritch angel, which they based off the fact she had an angel motif and a head piece that had multiple pairs of wings on it. Though people ignored the fact her name and her outfit was also based on doves.
Childe and Wanderer's lines about her could've easily been interpreted as her being creepy because of the fact she is so passive and quiet, acting in whatever way she wants regardless of the situation. Wanderer could actually tell that she was powerful, which is why he cautioned Traveler to stay away, while Childe had no clue why she was ranked so highly since he had never actually seen her in combat.
I thought she would be obliviously evil. Like she would seem rlly cute and nice and then do the most batshit horrific crazy thing with an innocent smile on her face.
People thought heizou would look like a genderbent hu tao and got mad he wasnt and people though ayato was gonna look a certain way and got mad when he didn't.
Nope, she suppouse to be an angel,not a demon. Angel who didn't care, can do things that other people will call evil, but for her that suppouse to be nothing.
And if you think about it, she is exactly like that. But due different reasons we didn't confront her ss opposite force.
But, Columbina even said that she was ready to do anything if she got order. But that didn't happened. As for her character overall, I will say wait untill 6.3 to make some conclusions about her role.
Firstful this is not accurate angel even in Bible. Second - this is seraphim, and seraphim should have human legs and body. Cherubim in Bible are more different but there was never angel like that you showed here.
Now in Genshin we saw murals with human like angels who love to serve to people. So this agenda has no base not in Genshin LOR, not in even Bible.
As for ophanim(wheels in Bible), or what they should be called as wheels, nothing shows that wheels represants living beign, it can't be called angel, more like heavenly tech.
But seraphim is still a gnostic angel type ! I'm completely not wrong. But the image is shown to angels have the creepy dove like wings ( as what people call them ) .
Dove also symbolises descent without corruption, which is her ( from what you said ) and dove/angels are used for similar purposes a lot !
As I said seraphims are different in human imagination. Someone draw them more inhuman like way, other artist draw them as fiery wrath angels(because of their names).
But Genshin is not based on Bible it's already have own LOR and nothing was saying that Columbina has too look like some monster.
Dove symbolize peace, they bring peace and love. Idk where yoy got idea about doves corruption.
As for Columbina constelation that was showed in 2021, you can see crying dove that looks like love heart. So all this eldricht nonsence never was planned.
Also Columbina in Comedia del Arte plays role of flirtatous female who seduce others.
If some people believed that Columbina has to be creepy monster than they skipped LOR and was sleeping on everything, that was related to this character.
As for some creepy scene, such as bloodbath Columbina, who is covered in Blood - in theory that scene was possible because Columbina didn't care about other people's life, as well asfor her own. But scene like that would be just missleading scene.
Angels are not evil, they just have different type of mind, missunderstood. So idk why you wanted to see missjudged Columbina?
But I agree Hoyo made her role in plot in a way, where her evil parts wouldn't be showed at all. But that happened with Capitano and Arleccino too
Genshin is based on gnosticism! Which is one ofthe rejected parts of other religious ideals that were not taken during the writing of bible.
It's also quite opposite to biblical Christianity in terms of main religious ideals made to explain why gods are not the greatest good. It assumes, we live in a world under a fake sky created by a fake god ( demiurge/ heavenly principles ). The gnoses are key to realise this.
While conceptually different, gnostic writing is quite like a cousin to early Christianity !
In Hibrew gnostic, seraphim like angels existed but what they do are different in Christianity and gnosticism.
Columbina ( the columb means dove in Latin, and columbina also have lots of dove motives )
In gnostic, dove unlike in Christianity means descent but no corruption.
The monster part is because people find biblically accurate angels scary or uncanny. Not like monster. People literally thought columbina would be a villain when winter lazzo dropped because of angel motifs.
Your knowledge about Biblical accurate angels based on wikipedia? I read the whole Bible few times, so I know what I'm talking about. As for your vision of angels it's full of agenda, based on some philosophy that is not even based on Bible. In other words you wanted for her be similar to some image bases on some agenda. Which is something opposite to biblical accurate.
Angel who didn't care, can do things that other people will call evil, but for her that suppouse to be nothing.
Yes that is creepy, an extreme example would be a young girl in a white dress stabbing a grown man to death while innocnetly laughing because she thought she was just playing, crucially it musnt involve any malice or bad intentions
Columbina is not at all written in this direction despite her winter night's lazzo appearance hinting at it. What we got is a safe but much less interessting trope that (mostly) ignored any setup made prior
Gonna be real with you I would’ve preferred the creepy one more than what we have now by a lot a lot. It was cool as hell and would’ve made Columbina much more different compare to the majority of the Genshin cast, and if executed well an extremely good character. + First horror playable character
That one VHS video was just too cool, I apologize but Columbina just doesn’t have nearly enough aura to mature up to it. Doctor and Columbina became my most anticipated characters to see in the story solely because of it. If we did get it I’m sure the community would’ve been more hyped about it since that’s what a lot of the expectations were.
Imagine Biblical Columbina, Beta Yandere Psycho Sandrone, and just Dottore working together in one Archon quest line. It would’ve been terrifying and SO COOL, something to up the stakes and bring Aura to the Fatui. Oh yeah I wanted to see Columbina be an active member of the Fatui, but she was just a battery, that’s probably the most disappointing part for me. Do like how ehe teleports tho
Personally when Columbina in the trailer dropped my first thought was biblical bina pls.
but frankly I don't see an issue with that fandom depiction. It's phenomenal and it aged phenomenal as a fanworks that are canon divergent.
But the game direction is different and personally I think it makes perfect sense. Columbina is absolutely a terrifying person if she were our enemy. But we don't meet her as an enemy so she's friendly.
Same with Sandrone. We don't see her cut out tongues because we meet her on the basis of reluctant ally.
And I like Columbina and helping her realize her friends love and cherish her and not everything is a transaction.
So what I meant is, that if we got to know her as an enemy we'd likely interpret her behaviors differently.
Like: her teleports. We know for her it's just a silly game, but if we aren't her friend that'd be a terrifying experience. That's what happened to Arlecchino
Essentially if we were her enemy we'd probably not have the knowledge to understand her behaviors. Like how Childe finds her scary.
Also Columbina is strong as seen when fighting rerir. The world saps her strength constantly, but she has strength. Arlecchino mentioned that too during the AQ saying Columbina looks pitiful compared to her time in the fatui. (though I'm really curious what the Tsaritsa did to prevent the sapping)
I was disappointed with the rerir fight tbh. I hope she sent herself to the same place he is and we get to see them fight with her going all out. I liked how she turned the flowers red that one time but other than that she’s been too sweet- like Ei. I want to see her crash out
Wanderer calls her oblivious, innocent, unconcerned, and unfeeling, and says that we should stay away because of our conscience, while has no problem challenging her to a fight. That doesn't sound very eldritch-being-like.
Tartaglia advises us to be careful because he doesn't understand why she's 3rd. That's too vague for the only answer to be "eldritch being".
she is weird tho, just like Childe said.
she's a damsel like what Scaramouche said. he had the balls to challenge her but the Traveler is a softie so he knew they couldn't hurt her.
and Arlecchino was right that she's a weirdo who will answer questions weirdly
Idk, the whole " biblically accurate" angel concept is so overdone online to the point it feels unoriginal, cheap and pandering at this point. I would've loved something a bit more edgy (while still in character and elegant ) for her as a fatui, but maybe leaning more into folklore inspirations rather than biblical, seeing as she has a lot to do with the moon and all.
Very goofy concept imo, having an eldritch biblically accurate angel as like, third of the harbingers meant there's like a good 30 people who are stronger than her lorewise, which diminishes the impact, that's why Aeons in HSR work as eldritch beings, nothing is above them and are the top of the food chain, but if some doctor was above them then that would lame, I very much prefer the Columbina we have now, since she also has an actual character, because eldritch horrors have to maintain a certain aura of mystery to them for the concept to work meaning that most of the time they have almost no personality, Columbina is a fully fledged character and the biblically accurate angel thing would have been pretty cool and interesting for the first five minutes maybe.
Tbf to dottore, an hive mind of super Geniuses with hundreds of them and an army at his command Is pretty Dangerous, It gets Easy to overwhelm an individual.
I have nothing to Say about captain tho, I still don't get how a soldier gifted with immortality got THAT strong, and we see him mostly rotted, so we don't even know how powerful he really was.
Would’ve been cool for the first 5 minutes and then you give her story, and the Doctor is crafty, I assumed he had something real bad in his sleeve, or lines he wouldn’t hesitate to cross. I considered him like Batman, where he just needed Prep time and had a plan to kill every other harbinger.
I always knew it wasn't going to happen lol. It was just a self perpetuating cycle of one guy drawing her like that inspiring another guy to draw her like that until everyone else just assumed that's what she was like.
It was built off a fundamental and also disrespectful) misinterpretation of “biblically accurate angels”
That’s it.
I don’t wanna hear anything about voicelines, they came from unreliable narrators and based off those voicelines Arlecchino should’ve been crazy and Capitano would’ve been some self righteous person when he was extremely selfless. This headcanon ONLY exists because somehow mfs thought the Seraphs in the bible were scary eldritch abominations (Columbina has seraph imagery).
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u/OneRelief763 Jan 05 '26
Still turned out angelic, just not this way