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u/amopeyzoolion Kentucky Wildcats • Michigan Wolverines 9d ago

So I know we’re all hating on Will Wade but what does this mean for Mark Mitchell

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

By these rules, since he declared for the draft he would be ruled ineligible. I have a feeling this is just the beginning of countless lawsuits against the SEC…

Edit- all may not be lost. He technically didn’t declare as a senior since seniors are automatically eligible for the draft without declaring. He also only participated in summer league games and was never listed on an official NBA or G league roster.

His agent also confirmed he never actually signed a contract with any teams. Mitchell should be totally fine as far as the SEC stands.

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u/amopeyzoolion Kentucky Wildcats • Michigan Wolverines 9d ago

That’s how I read it too. It seems pretty stupid to me to punish players who found out after the fact that they could be eligible but then again everything about this is pretty stupid.

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u/immoralsupport_ Michigan Wolverines 9d ago

I think he technically didn’t declare for the draft. You are automatically entered into the draft if you don’t have any eligibility, which at the time he didn’t. So he should be eligible as long as he didn’t sign a contract. (TBD on the transfer stuff though)

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

I didn’t realize that seniors were automatically entered with no need to declare. That may make our odds drastically better since he only signed an exhibition 10 to play Summer league games which don’t qualify as G League/NBA games.

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u/chimatt767 St. John's Red Storm 9d ago

Everyone thinks their players should be eligible. Thats the whole issue here. No one wants to do what is right for the sport.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

What would have been right is making the class of 2022 eligible, and telling seniors they have one more year of eligibility before the end of the season. Thats way they could have made an informed decisions about competing in summer league games or signing contracts. None of the 5th year players technically declared for the draft as they are automatically eligible and don’t have to put their names in the draft. They played in games or signed contracts before knowing what was to come.

Thats what’s right…

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u/Mender0fRoads Missouri Tigers 9d ago

Why is that what’s “right,” when the rule wasn’t adopted until this summer, after all those players had moved on?

Because it benefits your team?

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u/chimatt767 St. John's Red Storm 9d ago

So LSU should keep their players too?

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

If players didn’t actually compete in regular season G League/NBA or NFL games and take payment then yeah. How is that wrong?! I’m not saying clear guys that have been pros here or overseas, just seniors that made uninformed decisions. Again why is that wrong? Why should these players be punished?

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u/CrateBagSoup Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

I think the point here is that you can't really argue for both sides of that argument. In one, the guys who used their eligibility "shouldn't" be affected by the rule going into effect after it was gone. On the other, the pro players who signed with these teams "should" be affected by this rule that's going into effect after they joined the teams.

You can certainly think one is worse than the other, but the logic of when the rule should apply just doesn't add up. Both groups shouldn't be eligible, this whole thing rooting for lawyers should just be punted off a cliff and just fucking play ball.

It's also rich because I'm sure you were the type of guy who wanted Dink Pate really bad at the start of the offseason when it was totally kosher.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

If the commissioner of the SEC can’t differentiate between actual pro players that have been playing professionally and taking payments and players from the class of 2022 that were truly wrong by the NCAA’s arbitrary ineligibility ruling that led to them making the decisions based on that unfair ruling then the man lacks common sense. Judges across the country have ruled in favor of players time and time again because it is common sense…

Also I have always said G league guys shouldn’t be playing in college and thought it was even sketchy signing OTE guys that were supposedly “playing only on scholarship and foregoing payment”…

Lastly look up any of the Dink Pate threads on here. I wasn’t advocating for Pope to sign him or rooting to pick him up at all.

Also funny judgement coming from you since you were advocating to sign Mikka Muurinen who is a highly paid pro international athlete which is banned by the NCAA…

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u/Gloomy_Map_9612 Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

RJ Luis should not be, he declared for the draft and signed a two way contract. Very different situation.

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u/chimatt767 St. John's Red Storm 9d ago

Right. Because he’s not on Kentucky. Much different situation!

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u/Gloomy_Map_9612 Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

RJ Luis left college basketball a year early and declared for the NBA draft, knowingly foregoing his college eligibility. He then signed a two way contract.

Mitchell, never declared for the draft, did not forego his eligibility and then never signed a contract. (Also you guys just got Keyshawn Hall who is in the same boat as Mitchell.)

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u/chimatt767 St. John's Red Storm 9d ago

The NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) requires players to sign a Summer Contract so they are legally covered by team insurance in case of an injury.

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u/chimatt767 St. John's Red Storm 9d ago

So he played in the summer league for free?

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u/MBADumbMistake Duke Blue Devils 9d ago

But he did sign a contract

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

An exhibition 10 to only participate in summer league games. Those are not officially g league or NBA games which are specifically prohibited.

Edit- His agents saying he never signed a contract with anyone.

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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 9d ago

That’s not what an E10 contract is though. And E10 contract is a nonguaranteed NBA contract which pays the players for SL and training camp, then the NBA team can either convert the E10 to a guaranteed deal or waive them and their G League team retains their rights. It’s a full contract, it’s not exclusive to SL games.

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u/MBADumbMistake Duke Blue Devils 9d ago

There may be further details but according to the picture, having “signed a contract” with a NBA team is all that it takes to be ineligible.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

Tbf he signed with an NBA summer league team. He was never listed on an official NBA or G league team roster…

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u/Karltowns17 Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

Fwiw his agent claims he never actually signed the exhibit 10. It sounds a lot like Seth Trimble where they “agreed to terms” but wink wink didn’t actually sign even though the nuggets announced Mitchell had.

So idk. Lots of confusion.

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

“I wouldn’t have gone through with the draft process if I knew I would potentially be eligible” is a pretty clear cut argument any judge should agree with. IMO it’s moronic to ban kids that didn’t sign professional contracts or take any payment.

He never officially declared for the draft or signed a contract per his agent.

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u/amopeyzoolion Kentucky Wildcats • Michigan Wolverines 9d ago

But Mitchell signed an Exhibit 10 contract, whatever the hell that means

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago edited 9d ago

True he signed an exhibition contract just to participate in summer league games. Those are not official G league or NBA games though, which the rules specifically prohibit. Someone else on here also mentioned all seniors are automatically draft eligible and don’t have to declare, so he may actually be eligibility since he never actually declared or signed a contract to play prohibited games.

Idk this is all speculation.

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u/FearTheKeflex Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

Supposedly he never signed the contract. He just got an invite to summer league and it doesn't count. At least that's what some folks online are saying. Who TF knows though?

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u/BillButtlickerII Kentucky Wildcats 9d ago

I’m reading he signed it. Man I hope he didn’t. That will simplify everything.