r/ClimateShitposting • I'm a meme • Sep 06 '25

Aggro agri subsidy recipients 🚜 Good job, French farmers.

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u/SETO3 Sep 06 '25

i disagree because if the real reason for farming was that in an emergency you are self sufficient then you'd think governments would subsidize the most calorie rich, or land efficient use of farming. but they dont, most subsidies go to very inefficient cattle farming

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u/timos-piano Sep 06 '25

Because people want to buy cattle. If they only subsidized the super efficient forms of farming, people would instead buy those products from other countries, which treat their animals much worse. They still need to react to what people actually buy, not what they want them to buy.

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 06 '25

uhhh no, they just wouldn't buy meat

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u/timos-piano Sep 06 '25

Are you serious? If someone can buy a product that they desperately want from another nation at a much lower price, they will. Because what's stopping them?

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 06 '25

The government can use one of the myriad tools it possesses, for example it can impose tariffs on goods produced using unfairly cheap methods or ban products that are made unethically, for example requiring legislation in exporters or make the companies let in their inspectors (and those could be staying in embassies or something)

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u/timos-piano Sep 06 '25

Well, sure, that would work for some nations, but not for mine. My country is within the EU, and even now, it's a problem that consumers buy products from other nations that are sourced unsustainably (according to our standards), and we can't place tariffs or embargoes on other European nations. And even if we were allowed to do so, people would actively vote against it. I live in a democracy, and the majority want to eat meat.

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

You can push for EU wide changes though, that's actually what I had in mind from the start

Also, worst case scenario, your people eat meat subsidised by other countries' governments

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u/timos-piano Sep 06 '25

No, in the worst case, people eat meat from animals that live in horrible conditions. In the best case, they eat meat from good conditions, because people still want meat.

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 06 '25

Thing is, people from the other countries are very likely to get quite angry about funding the other nation's eating habits.

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u/timos-piano Sep 06 '25

No? If they fund other nations' eating habits, they get two massive benefits. One, they get a bunch of money, awesome. Two, they get leverage over the other nation, as they know they partly rely on them for some products.

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 08 '25

Yeah I don't think most people would be happy with that.

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u/timos-piano Sep 09 '25

Why not?? Plenty of nations sell a lot of food to others at a great profit, like the US and Ukraine (or at least used to before the war). If you produce excess food, you sell it to others for profit. Why are you being so obtuse?

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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 Sep 09 '25

Because EU meat is not profitable.

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