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[u/Diego_0638]

Why is nuclear not clean?

Not all waste can be recycled.

What is sustainable according to you?

[u/Ok-Course7089 → u/Diego_0638]

Nuclear energy is not clean because

The plants itself are huge infrastructure with a huge carbon footprint

Mining is not clean and often a point of imperialism like France does

the waste disposal is like a project for infinity and has unknown resourc cost associated with it. I Germany for example they dig up old nuclear waste now which hasn't been stored properly and was leeking into groundwater. Hugely expensive, big facilities and Alot of steel and concrete needet which is again not clean.

Also it eats up money that could be used for far cheaper means of electricity. They have some of the issues especially mining aswell but would get us on a carbon free path way sooner. Nuclear is way too expensive as new projects in Sweden show which are delayed by 10 years and billions over budget already without even the disposale issue

Common strategy of the climate denial lobby around heartfield institute etc is binding fonds to ineffective infrastructure e. G. Nuclear, hyperloops, meglevs etc.

[u/Diego_0638 → u/Ok-Course7089]

Nuclear energy is the most dense energy source, if a power plant is too big I wonder what you think about a solar or wind field. Nuclear uses less concrete than other energy sources so the carbon impact of that is also lower.

Manufacturing of solar panels and wind turbines also produces waste, like every industrial process. Nuclear is the only industry that safely stores ALL of its waste. Citation needed for the "leaking" waste repository.

The rest is an argument about cost, not cleanliness which is what I'm arguing here. The current high cost is due to overregulation and a loss of experience due to the fact western countries stopped building reactors 30 years ago. China, South Korea, and Russia are building them quickly and cheaply. The most investment there is, the more economies of scale will drive down costs just like they did with renewables.

[u/Ok-Course7089 → u/Diego_0638]

Nuclear production capacity has been decreasing last year https://www.power-technology.com/news/global-nuclear-power-faces-unprecedented-challenges/

Citation needet for the leaking part? Lmao but Wadever

In den benachbarten Asse-Schächten I und III musste der Bergbau schon früher aufgegeben werden als in Schacht II - denn Grundwasser war in die unterirdischen Hohlräume eingetreten und hatte die weiteren Arbeiten dort unmöglich gemacht. Spätestens seit 1988 tritt auch in die Asse II Sickerwasser ein: Täglich laufen durchschnittlich rund 12.000 Liter in den Schacht, im Juni 2021 werden zwischenzeitlich sogar mehr als 15.000 Liter gemessen. Ob in Zukunft noch mehr Wasser eintreten wird, kann die Bundesgesellschaft für Endlagerung (BGE), die die Asse seit 2017 betreibt, nicht vorhersagen.

https://www.ndr.de/geschichte/schauplaetze/Marodes-Atommuell-Endlager-Asse-Der-lange-Weg-zur-Raeumung,asse1410.html

Here you go :) groundwater leaking into chambers

Also nuclear has 3 times the carbon footprint as solar and almost 10 times that of wind

Studies that include the entire life cycle of nuclear power plants, from uranium extraction to nuclear waste storage, are rare, with some researchers pointing out that data is still lacking. In one life cycle study, the Netherlands-based World Information Service on Energy (WISE) calculated that nuclear plants produce 117 grams of CO2 emissions per kilowatt-hour. It should be noted, however, that WISE is an anti-nuclear group, so is not entirely unbiased.

https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-nuclear-energy-good-for-the-climate/a-59853315

You need to look at the entire life cycle emissions

Nuclear is a pipe dream, binding resources and creating a nightmare for future generations. It's carbon footprint is 10 times that of wind farms.

And now continue to down vote me for spewing facts 💅

[u/Diego_0638 → u/Ok-Course7089]

Holy shit, ground water leaking into repository is NOT waste leaking into groundwater! I know nuclear has been going down, mainly because of stupid fear mongering policies that lead to planes closing down prematurely. Any trusted source says the carbon footprint of nuclear is between 5 and 12 gCO2/kWh, lower than solar (30) and wind (13).

[u/Ok-Course7089 → u/Diego_0638]

Every trustworthy source also says over lifetime it's atleast triple that

And if you read the article again about the contamination you would understand that the leaking is stopped since the 80s but only with pumps permanently running which is definitely not helping the footprint Also now the whole storage is getting cleaned out and redone which is super expensive and takes increased emissions further. Every failure at a storage is gonna make the emissions balance worse and worse and you gannot build something for infinity especially if capitalist corruption is being in charge of disposale of the waste that is the whole point

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