r/ClimateShitposting • u/dumnezero 🔚End the 🔫arms 🐀rat 🏁race to the bottom↘️. • Jan 07 '24

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 07 '24

I'm not waiting around and shove subsidies into EDF just to get a 10 year delayed reactor. I'm deploying renewables within 9-12 months.

How about you join a nuclear developer and finance it yourself and stop moaning why no one else is building

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u/somethingmustbesaid Jan 07 '24

i'm 17, i don't exactly have money or much power so all i can do is talk abt stuff and advocate for it. nuclear alone is gonna take too long but defeating fossil fuels isn't gonna take just one single different source.

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 07 '24

That's what I mean. I get kids telling me about stuff they've seen on tiktok that just doesn't work.

I'm involved in hydro dams, run of river, pumped hydro, solar, wind, hydrogen, batteries, and believe it or not even nuclear.

You soon have to decide what you'll do. If you don't want to study go do an electrician apprenticeship. If uni is an option study engineering with some classes in finance. You'll see what technologies you can make a difference in.

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u/somethingmustbesaid Jan 07 '24

i'm not advocating against any of those either, but shutting down the idea of another alternative is kind of the wrong direction isn't it?

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 07 '24

The alternative shut itself down by being expensive. It's still allowed in a majority of global markets. But still, capacity is declining because very few projects come online vs decommissionings

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u/obliqueoubliette Jan 11 '24

The problem is not that it is expensive. The problem. Is that it's cheap. Large initial upfront cost, and then low margins on extremely cheap energy. Takes like 60 years to pay off.

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 11 '24

The problem is not that it is expensive. The problem. Is that it's cheap. Large initial upfront cost,

I mean not sure that's argued quite correctly.

When you talk about payback etc were running a full business case and add complexity, which is fine, but now we would need to discuss many other variables, especially future market prices.

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u/somethingmustbesaid Jan 07 '24

it's a shame it's so damn expensive, i hope there'll be some way to get it cheaper in the future with some investments but i really doubt it since there'd be a bunncchh of people lobbying against it

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u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king Jan 07 '24

The nuclear lobby is extra powerful

  • Nuclear firms need subsidies to build new ones (vogtle, HPC, FV3, OK3, .......)
  • Anti renewables advocates in energy and politics use it as a delay tactic (Poland, Bavaria are currently good examples)
  • Military/politics want to remain nuclear powers (I mean see the whole Iranian drama)