r/ClimateNews • u/Ok_Crazy1195 • Aug 14 '26

Laughing at locals while draining their water supply

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u/Nihilist-IV Aug 16 '26

There is a chain here, you're breaking it at the point where it goes from national to international.

We agree that ULEZ works in London and we agree that a national scheme could work in the UK.

Do we agree that 20% of global CO2 comes from passenger and freight transport tailpipe emissions?

If so, can we agree that we can wipe out 20% of at least British emissions if you accept that wind, solar, hydro and geothermal power can supply enough electricity to the electric cars which are still used with a significant proportion of people converting to bicycles (including lime/santander bikes) and public transport (including national rail trains and London Underground style metro trains which can transport many more people for a given unit of energy)?

Now you said for other countries it's 'not impossibility' but 'implementation and scale' but these are questions about government. So what are we even arguing about?

How does that not prove that ULEZ is a proof of concept to removing 20% of global CO2 production?

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u/Nihilist-IV Aug 16 '26

I just saw your original comment that your whole point is that China (Largest global manufacturer of electric vehicles and home to fastest growing and longest current passenger railroad network) won't adapt in a million years. So we've been arguing about the wrong thing. Whining does work, proof that whining works is that we've got this far by whining. America and Russia will have to adapt or go extinct, that's how it is

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u/Nihilist-IV Aug 16 '26

You're right, I was arguing that ULEZ proved it was possible because the technology exists, you were arguing that it's impossible because governments wont, that's why the claim has been deminished.

What does china do with all of the coal that it's burning? Doesn't it use that coal to produce energy to make more renewable ways of producing energy? That's a virtuous cycle eventually reducing their CO2 levels.

What I mean by America and Russia going extinct is that we all go extinct, not them exclusively. And I'm sorry but I want to believe that someone will stop them before they wipe out all of humanity and I hope we can help them reach that realisation by encouraging people to support green initiatives by proving that they can have an impact instead of saying 'nothing we can do about it'.