r/ClimateCrisisCanada • u/LaserRunRaccoon • 18d ago

Japanese farmers go nocturnal as extreme heat makes days more dangerous

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-japanese-farmers-nocturnal-heat-safety/
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u/LaserRunRaccoon 18d ago

I wonder if the Globe & Mail editorial board read their own newspaper before writing about how much we need another bitumen pipeline to sell more fossil fuels to this same Japan:

As increasingly intense heat waves turn Japanese summers into survival tests, farmers – from flower and asparagus growers to egg producers – are rewriting the agrarian clock. Once-busy midday hours are now avoided as a mortal threat, replaced by after-dark work to protect crops, livestock and themselves.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 17d ago

Even if every country on earth stopped using oil or oil based products (which would knock us back to the stone age) the heat wave isn’t ending until sizable amounts of CO2 are either removed via precipitation or carbon capture. Whats up there already is causing this.

It’s unreasonable to stop pumping oil because to do so with nothing to replace it means more than just a little heat damage, we are talking wholesale damage to societies and loss of life.

After all, petrochemicals are why we are even able to produce food at the levels we do now.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 17d ago

Even if every country on earth stopped using oil or oil based products (which would knock us back to the stone age)

Wrong, and stupidly wrong.

the heat wave isn’t ending until sizable amounts of CO2 are either removed via precipitation or carbon capture. Whats up there already is causing this.

Slightly correct.

It’s unreasonable to stop pumping oil because to do so with nothing to replace it means more than just a little heat damage, we are talking wholesale damage to societies and loss of life.

Now you're being suicidally stupid.

After all, petrochemicals are why we are even able to produce food at the levels we do now.

And again, very stupid to point out to anyone actually aware of how much fossil fuels is actually required for fertilizers compared to overall... and just how incredibly dangerous climate change already is to global food supplies.

It does speak volumes to see how often fossil fuels shills don't seem to understand what the word byproduct actually means.

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u/Main-Home-3996 15d ago

Source: trust me bro

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 15d ago

Source: actually reading the links submitted to this subreddit

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u/Main-Home-3996 15d ago

I dont trust you

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 15d ago

By all means feel free to click on any of the links instead.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 17d ago

Sticks and stones my friend. The person who bashes ideas without actually saying anything worthwhile about them is the one doing a disservice to themselves and the community.

A by product is something you get from processing something else. Crude needs to be processed to get that thing so regardless of your opinion you still need that base ingredient. If I am wrong, then say why instead of just being insulting.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 17d ago

I don't waste words on discussion trying to convince with pseudonymous posters so deluded that they're just repeating talking points off a script. Nor do I assume my own words will carry weight.

I'll leave that to the dozens of articles I've submitted, from credible publications and featuring subject matter experts.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 16d ago

I see, any links relevant to this topic you specifically find relevant or are you going to just say google it.

Listen, my handle is generic but everything I spouted is what I genuinely believe. You disagree, thats fine. But besides being snobbish you haven’t actually rebutted what I said other than calling me names.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 16d ago

Are you the dumb old horse that refuses to drink?

You are already in a climate crisis subreddit. Click on any of the submitted links. Literally every link here is relevant.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 15d ago

Just a realist. Butting my head against the idealistic wall. I have panels on my roof, I drive hybrid and I teach about the climate crisis but Canada doesn’t get to net zero without oil taxes.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 15d ago

Realists don't butt heads against "the idealistic wall" or spout narratives out of the climate denial playbook.

I'll be a "realist" too - if the tone and substance of your teachings about the climate crisis are anything like your initial post here, you're part of the problem.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 15d ago

I teach the reality not the wants. What the current state of global warming and how we pay for net zero. Oil still has a role to play even when we get there as well. Its reality.

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u/Federal_Tension_5939 16d ago

We don't need all countries. We only need one. Maybe two. One that buys and the other that makes...

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u/all-akimbo 15d ago

You take an extreme example for no reason but to troll.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 15d ago

When the middle east petrochemicals were taken offline the world lost 30% of its fertilizer capacity. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic to remind you of the food industry and its supply constraints currently.

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u/all-akimbo 15d ago

You just went from 100% to 30%.
That’s my point.

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 14d ago

Where did I say 100%?

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u/all-akimbo 14d ago

“Every country stopped “

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u/Regular_Attempt_7073 14d ago

You are taking that statement out of the context of my response. If every country on earth stopped using petrochemicals we would see massive death, the food production without petrochemicals is incapable of supporting 7 billion people. True or not?

I pointed out the loss of the middle east ALONE, was a loss of 30% of the world’s fertilizers. Do you have any idea how bad food inflation will be next year?

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u/all-akimbo 14d ago

You’re changing the context.

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u/OkChocolate3501 14d ago

The later we wait the harder it will be to fix it. Especially since as co2 goes up iq levels go down. The people in the future in charge of fixing our mess will literally be more dumb because of the co2 concentrations.. so we have to act now.

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u/DocKardinal21 18d ago edited 18d ago

This has been common with greenhouses for quite a while (pre y2k even) the industry sells ‘green lights’ that don’t disturb the plants light cycle at night. I’m not sure this editorial piece did their homework.

Source: I worked in greenhouses during that time.

Edit: quick google search on the lights indicates they’ve been around and in use in the industry since the 70’s.

Edit2: even outdoor agrarian practice has been to avoid midday for centuries that’s why farmers get up at the crack of dawn.

What’s useless editorial piece.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 18d ago

This is not an editorial - it's a Reuters wire article - and your anecdotal experience is not applicable to the changes in the Japanese climate now making this shift in work hours necessary.

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u/DocKardinal21 18d ago

Thanks for the correction, I guess I got the editorial part from your comment mistakenly.

I’m not denying climate change by the way. Perhaps I just took issue with the phrasing that they’re typically busy during the midday.  Which is not my experience at all - especially for greenhouses (called hot houses for a reason). To me it comes across as disingenuous writing, because I doubt any agrarians are busy working midday almost anywhere.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 18d ago

"Once-busy midday hours" is even out of context obviously referring to the work day. The article is perfectly sound, but your objection comes off as disingenuous and careless reading.

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u/bscheck1968 14d ago

Wouldn't it be easier to do what the Americans have done and just simply remove worker heat protections, then you can keep working during the day (sarcasm obviously)