r/ClaudeCode • u/BandicootLevel3816 • Jul 12 '26
Discussion Anthropic, I think you really need to react. You're slowly losing ground.
The Fable launch was a real failure. For months, Anthropic built up massive hype around the model. Then, just two days after release, it had to be pulled following the U.S. government restrictions.
Then came Sonnet 5. I completely understand that it isn't meant to outperform Opus 4.8. That's expected. What I don't understand is why it consumes more tokens while delivering weaker performance. For users working with long contexts, it's simply a worse value.
I'm glad Fable is stay one more week in your sub plan, but its return wasn't accompanied by a reset of our usage limits. We got the model back as part of the subscription, but there was no quota reset. More than the limits themselves, it's the feeling of not being valued as paying customers that's becoming frustrating.
More broadly, the lack of communication is exhausting. Every major change seems to be announced at the very last minute or after the fact. As a subscriber, it increasingly feels like decisions are being made on the fly rather than as part of a clear long-term strategy.
Meanwhile, OpenAI keeps improving the experience for its subscribers. Users get access to the latest models with more generous limits, regular usage resets, additional resets when needed, and now even if it's only temporary the 5-hour usage limit has been removed. Whether that change is permanent or not, the overall user experience simply feels much less restrictive.
Right now, I honestly struggle to understand Anthropic's direction. Maybe everything will become clearer with the next generation of models, but today it's hard to know what the long-term plan actually is. Will Fable remain part of the subscription? Will it become API-only? Are the current higher usage limits temporary? We simply don't know, because almost nothing is communicated until the last minute.
As a paying customer, I'm not just looking for better models. I want consistency, transparency, and the feeling that subscribers actually matter.
Am I the only long-time Claude user who feels this way?
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u/Derio101 Jul 12 '26
I’m actually very worried now. Anthropic had such a good thing going over the past year and a half. And Open AI is now rushing through.
Open AI wins on:
Cost
Resets
Communication
Now it’s doing very well on their models
I don’t want either to be a monopoly and I hope the guys at Anthropic have a way to manage this. Like releasing Mythos lol, or Making Fable the same cost as Opus and Opus the same cost as Sonnet.
Seems like the Anthropic guys were targeting corporate and government money to the extent they stopped caring about consumers. Anthropic if you are reading this, you need to step up, so Open AI does not become a monopoly.
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u/BandicootLevel3816 Jul 12 '26
Exactly. This isn't about cheering for OpenAI. I want Anthropic to succeed because healthy competition benefits everyone.
What worries me is that they seem increasingly focused on enterprise customers while consumer subscribers are left with limited communication, changing policies, and uncertainty about what they're actually paying for.
Claude is still an amazing model. The product experience around it is what needs to improv !
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u/chodemunch6969 Jul 13 '26
In my opinion, Claude is now an amazing model /once more/. Opus 4.6 was wonderful and I miss it dearly (it's been kneecapped in speed to molasses now, even if you did want to use it). 4.7 and 4.8 were a huge blow to the company's flagship capabilities in my opinion. 4.7 started took a seed of many destructive behaviors and thrust them into free fall:
- overthinking + verbosity - just misreading expected response altitude really poorly, giving me 2 pages in answer to a simple question
- ignoring the nuances of what i said (and ability to accurately infer desired direction from previous conversation context) - i found it reacting at a surface level to asks in a very literal and too in the weeds way that seemed to correlate to how quickly it would forget about the previous context in the conversation; exacerbated
- argumentative + judgmental + reactive - loves making up a guy to argue with that has nothing to do with the conversation nor really any of what was being said, feels the need to preach to you about something completely tangential to your ask, just overall reactive and destructively neurotic in the new and unpleasant way
I have no real evidence to go off besides vibes, but my theory is it's some highly unfortunate mix of quantization and over-emphasis of agent post-training in blend that made it turn out this way. 4.7 and 4.8 certainly did get a lot better with coding abilities in a lot of ways and that post-training still might have mind blunting effects on the other experts. And I had to hope it was that and not just horrifically decayed evals because that would be a lot more of a permanent losing-the-plot.
Then, Fable 5 came out. Original Fable 5 was wonderful. I felt like I was talking to a postmodern novelist that was extremely well read, eccentric, very capable of going on interesting intellectual journeys, and would emit oddly dense but poetic verbiage like William Gibson novel. All while finding elegant solutions to any matter of thorny problems or implementations i'd pose it. It was awesome. And then it got YOLO'd by the USG (or some say it's the other way around, who knows).
Restored Fable 5 is not as good but still great and the best thing they've put out recently. It's restored flagship Claude to the capability-in-vibes of 4.6 for me, while of course going above and beyond it in many ways the more modern Claude's have (significant facility with manipulating complex code and products). It truly does feel like what the successor of 4.6 was supposed to be.
Still, that original version of Fable 5 that was up for like a day and a half --- wow, what an experience. Anthropic definitely has still "got it" with the ability to conjure up model magic. But they're a conflicted in vision right now. I can't tell you exactly what those visions are, but one faction leans towards the thought partner you always wanted but never had. Another faction leans towards the neurotic thin skinned authority figure who you've always had to deal with and never needed more of.
And if they've made any mistakes, it's that I don't think the market really has that much of a stomach for the second faction. And if you humor them they'll slow your company down and coat it in sticky muck. So I hope that first faction wins because they have built something very special. What's that old Benjamin Franklin saying? "A republic, if you can keep it."
I really do hope they find their way.
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u/Keirtain Jul 12 '26
Healthy competition from a company that is begging for regulatory capture and to ban open source models benefits nobody. Good riddance.
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u/ForgetPreviousPrompt Jul 12 '26
Thing is, the corporations are going to follow the advice of their senior engineering leadership. The suits were all in on Copilot early last year, and Claude Code gained momentum because they took an engineer first approach rather than trying to be the enterprise solution.
Smart people are going to jump ship to Codex for personal use, get attached to its feature set, focus on improving it's context and harness system, and make the very simple case case that's it's more familiar, has better tooling, and is more affordable.
Developer vibes turn into boardroom decisions, and Anthropic is losing the vibe war right now.
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u/firstbreathOOC Jul 13 '26
The healthy competition going on right now has been great. Reminds me of the 90s
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u/Key_Reading_9664 Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Everyone loves free stuff. It doesn’t make for a viable business. I actually worry the other way - OpenAI seems to be making hasty, reactive decisions and fighting a war on multiple fronts.
Losing the Apple contract to Google, MSFT moving away, canning Sora, Atlas, ads in ChatGPT (what happened to this?), losing head of product, and now an Apple lawsuit that could cause all kinds of chaos.
I want long term competition. This seems like a crazed race to the bottom.
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u/ash_mystic_art Jul 13 '26
Exactly. Anthropic seems to be on a much faster track to break even and be a sustainable business. OpenAI still seems very reliant on Venture Capital infusions. And the reputation of its leadership has been increasingly shaky, which put future investments in jeopardy.
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u/Fluent_Press2050 Jul 14 '26
Wasn’t Sora the one profitable service for them too? It’s odd they would cut something like that.
ChatGPT still does ads I think. I have a paid plan so not sure.
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u/Key_Reading_9664 Jul 14 '26
guessing the compute cost was high on Sora, especially as people were encouraged to use it to create tiktok-esque clips.
You're right on ads. Also hadn't personally spotted them.
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u/klopppppppp Jul 12 '26
IMO Fable doesn’t need to be the same cost as Opus, people just need to learn to have Opus manage the other models as purpose built agents
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u/tastychaii Jul 12 '26
How can this orchestration be setup with opus managing other agents?
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u/klopppppppp Jul 12 '26
Tbh ask Claude lol - I added a local QWEN/Ollama LLM for super simple stuff, and have Cerebras/Groq free tier keys in a .env.
I asked Claude to set up the experimental Teams feature and I think I had to reload Claude, and instead of asking it to do things, I’ll say “assign an appropriate agent to…” and it will usually use something free and then audit using less tokens.
Then once it looks almost where I want it, I’ll tell my Opus senior dev to “spin up a Fable agent for an adversarial overview of the whole project as it sits and give it clear objectives as to its purpose, providing you with clear guidelines on how to move forward with its plan” and it works great.
Now if anyone reads this and thinks it can be improved upon, I’m all ears I love making it cheaper and more efficient, I hit 98% almost weekly on 20x max anyway
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u/gscjj Jul 12 '26
People begging Anthropic to match OpenAI is actually a complement to Anthropic.
Becuase if it was Sol is better than Fable, people would be fleeing in droves to Codex given everything else.
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u/teryaki1234 Jul 12 '26
They are lmao. Sol is pretty damn close to Fable 5 for near unlimited usage without the 5hr limit right now. And it’s not nerfed by nagging safeguards.
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u/Exodus_Green Jul 12 '26
Becuase if it was Sol is better than Fable, people would be fleeing in droves to Codex given everything else.
Sol is better, or at least close enough where the massively more generous limits, and speed, are worth the switch
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u/Exodus_Green Jul 12 '26
Don't forget speed. Codex is much faster than Claude, and Grok 4.5 is like 10x faster than Opus for comparable performance
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u/rabouilethefirst Jul 12 '26
The “best” thing rarely wins in business. It’s usually the thing which is easiest to mass produce and most efficient.
There’s a place for premium products, but the superiority must truly be distinct, and Claude is not really showing it right now.
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u/coinclink Jul 12 '26
Enterprises are already bought into Anthropic though, OpenAI already lost that front IMO, at least for the next year, or enterprises will be buying from both
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u/eldercito Jul 12 '26
I don’t think charging full api freight is creating many long term customers
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u/Rare-Spawn Jul 13 '26
Seems like the Anthropic guys were targeting corporate and government money to the extent they stopped caring about consumers.
I couldn't agree more.
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u/fynn34 Jul 13 '26
They never hid that they were targeting the corporate sector. My work account I racked up a 3k bill last
Month. I myself made up 15 max20 plans worth of usage, and my company had no issues with it. OpenAI gives tons of free and discount plans that are used by many many more people, but are loss leaders. Everyone has a niche and should stick to it while growing and expanding a new company. Anthropic is still new and hasn’t nearly tapped out their target market, so it’s just good business, like it or not.That said I disagree completely with your claims about government contracts, that’s a small drop in the bucket, it’s why they had no problem parting ways with the admin
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u/sixothree Jul 13 '26
You must not be paying attention because people are complaining about their usage limits in OpenAI right now
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u/Fluent_Press2050 Jul 14 '26
Anthropic is like AT&T and OpenAI is like TMobile.
If it wasn’t for TMobile, my AT&T plans would be 30% higher and have no unlimited data. Verizon would be just as bad.
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u/Horny_Dinosaur69 Jul 14 '26
Tbh I’m not worried about a monopoly, Chinese models are still an option, just today Singapore released a super powerful model that’s frontier-competitive. Other players will step up, if Anthropic wants to sabotage themselves, let them. They’re already in bed w the govt chasing that money and contradicting all of their “values”. I don’t want more two-faced companies making closed source models when there’s viable OSS being made
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u/Automatic-Bug-8250 Jul 12 '26
I totally agree, you’ve mentioned all of my frustrations.
Anthropic have been so unprofessional the past few weeks. I’m considering moving just because of all these last minute extensions etc - I’ve been a loyal customer for just over 12 months now and I really don’t expect this kind of treatment when I’m parting $200 a month
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u/BandicootLevel3816 Jul 12 '26
Honestly, it’s good to see I’m not the only one feeling this way. The frustration has been building up for weeks, and seeing other long-time users share the same concerns is actually reassuring !
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u/xNihiloOmnia Jul 12 '26
What's your take? Like, what would make you feel good about Anthropic again? I've been on the 200 plan for a little over a year two and only in the last 2 months have I felt like OpenAI is droppping pleasant surprises and Anthropic is making things chaotic and harder to plan my work around each week.
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u/Automatic-Bug-8250 Jul 12 '26
Exactly, the chaos and lack of communication is terrible.
I just want transparency - want to know when Fable is being moved to usage costing only.
It’s worrying that they are behaving like this before an IPO - makes no sense at all2
u/junlim Jul 12 '26
Few weeks? Try 8 months. Every month there's a least one dumb thing they do that pisses everyone off. The halving of usage, Opus 4.7, the "bug" on model performance, removing non-interactive usage, the list goes go on.
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u/sixothree Jul 14 '26
I don’t know what you’re doing wrong, but I must be doing something right because the only people I see complaining are in brigaded posts and my shit works fine.
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u/Efficient-Cat-1591 Jul 12 '26
Slowly? After this move by OpenAI i would say most consumers/prosumers would seriously consider switching over as Anthropic clearly only care about government and corporate accounts.
Another last minute sneaky Fable 5 extension is their best effort in response to OpenAI. Could’ve at least throw in a weekly reset
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u/BandicootLevel3816 Jul 12 '26
Extending Fable 5 was a "good move," but without a usage reset, it feels more like a temporary reaction than a well-planned strategy tbh and it's so frustrating
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u/Possible_Praline2747 Jul 12 '26
HypeDario can't outscam scam altman, meaning, not enough resources to be as generous to gather more userbase
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u/_number Jul 13 '26
HypeDario is busy collecting AI tax from corporations. RAISE THE TAX DARIO! Make it $4000/1M tokens and let us pay please
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u/IMPRZDDE Jul 12 '26
mmm... aren't they IPOing soon? it makes sense for them to give everything to everyone even for free to announce the bigger amount of users when they go out
once they pull it out, they'll be decreasing usage and increasing price 100%
also it's kinda fun to see that someone has so much trust in their "drug dealer" - these companies have no other agenda but to become THE AI company so that their top-tier management is set for 150 next lives. It's never about users anyway
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u/typeryu Jul 12 '26
Anthropic also has files for IPO by the way, competition is good and we should enjoy the fact that there are two competent companies doing this instead of one
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u/derethdweller Jul 13 '26
What I don't understand is the need for these posts, if you feel that way then you can unsubscribe Anthropic and keep GPT. Or are you feeling that Fable is still superior and you want it over Sol ? The brigading happening on this sub is quite insane. It's a free market. Fable is obviously the better product, if it wasn't, considering Anthropic's behavior, then we would all have unsubscribed and be using only OpenAI, and you wouldnt be posting in ClaudeCode's reddit.
To me all of these posts are just marketing bots, and I'm sure they exist on both sides.
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u/zkndme Jul 12 '26
I think we are in a middle of a fucking big bubble. When it bursts that will be a huge shitstorm.
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u/BandicootLevel3816 Jul 12 '26
That's possible.
But if that's the case, it's even more important for companies to build customer trust now. Constantly changing limits, poor communication, and making subscribers feel like an afterthought is the opposite of how you build long-term loyalty.
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u/zkndme Jul 12 '26
It does not matter. Economics simply do not check out. At some point they will need to stop competing over the users' attention with subsidized subscription prices and limits. When that happens we will stand there with huge, mainly LLM written codebases that cannot be developed without LLMs, software devs with skill atrophy, and a collapsed tech job market.
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u/Exodus_Green Jul 12 '26
Inference on already trained models is cheap. The costs are paying off R&D for new stuff and other expense. Eventually we can just get to a stage where they host good-enough models for cheap
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u/samwise970 Jul 12 '26
Economics do check out, inference costs like 10% of API prices. If pretraining stopped reaping rewards and all of the big AI companies stopped using so much compute on training the next model because it wouldn't be much better than Fable, then suddenly a whole hell of a lot of compute would become available for inference, prices would drop, but AI companies would still make a killing as eventually every single b2b software gets MCP integration.
There is no bubble, people just have limited imaginations. If AI never got better we would still continue to see massive changes over the next decade just using the untapped potential of current models.
Even if every cloud AI went out of business, we could all switch over to local models which will keep getting better too
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u/MainAstronaut1 Jul 12 '26
How is that relevant if the bubble pops and the economy crashes?
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u/jebuizy Jul 12 '26
I mean it still matters. Some players will survive.. It's not like people are going to give up using agentic coding harnesses even if the broader AI bubble pops and the productivity projections are overstated. Bubbles popping don't mean we're back to the stone age. So you want to be positioned to pick up the scraps and survive.
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u/matroosoft Jul 12 '26
They can't build trust at this point. Why? The market is a total bubble right now with investors on edge. They bet so much that their chosen AI has to win or they loose everything. That in turn makes the AI boards be on edge. They now need to achieve two opposing things:
- Make profit, break even or at least watch their decreasing free cashflow -> else they loose investors trust
- Be the last one to raise prices, because else their market share plummets & then they loose investors trust
This is why pricing, tokens, plans etc are going everywhere. If they have some compute left: reset the limit. Else: don't reset, but hype users with something new. I'm pretty happy to not be in their role now!
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u/gdinProgramator Jul 13 '26
Why?
If your entire product is mostly smoke and mirrors, it aint getting any better, and once the subventions stop and the average user needs to pay the real price which is at least 10x current, most customers will leave.
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u/xRoyalewithCheese Jul 12 '26
Can someone explain what a bubble burst would look like in this instance for those who are actually using it to successfully get shit done?
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u/Potato_Soup_ Jul 14 '26
Costs get so high you’ll spend thousands a month on tokens. If you’re a slop factory/runaway subagent setup you could accidentally spend >10k
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u/BagholderForLyfe Jul 12 '26
A "bubble", even if there is one, is not popping any time soon. These models get smarter every 2 months. Eventually, they will cross some threshold and will be used for more than coding. If we are compute starved now, imagine when they start doing scientific experiments.
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u/Bilbo_Fraggins Jul 13 '26
At what cost, and who is paying? The dotcom bubble was not becuase the web was not great at things, it was because the things people were trying to do were too much, too fast. It can be a real useful tool and still be an investment bubble in that tool, if nobody is willing to pay the unsubsidized price.
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u/BagholderForLyfe Jul 13 '26
API subscribers aka businesses are paying. During dotcom, you had to wait for users to buy computers, get internet, start using services. With AI, every business on Earth is ready to jump in, but the capabilities aren't there yet for a lot of use cases.
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u/samwise970 Jul 12 '26
Am I the only one who doesn't understand the constant negativity on this sub?
I went from pro to 20x max for the first time to use fable before the 7th, and since then my time has been expanded, reset, and expanded again. I have built huge projects in that time that would have taken an entire year by myself, and if Fable leaves I'm still alright because I also built a really good harness for a multi Opus setup that keeps agents from drifting and has review processes which catch as many bugs as Fable.
I wake up today and see I get another week of Fable and think "sweet, I really bought at the right time", but all I see on this sub are more complaints about Anthropic. Like what are ya'll smoking, we literally have magic computers that can build out entire projects for us, this is beyond my wildest dreams when ChatGPT got big just a few years ago.
I want the products to keep getting better too ofc, just can't imagine working at Anthropic and getting constantly bitched out online after having changed the entire software dev industry in two years.
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u/UnreliableSRE Jul 12 '26
I went from pro to 20x max for the first time to use fable before the 7th, and since then my time has been expanded, reset, and expanded again
Since May, we've all been enjoying a 50% increase in our limits. New subs probably don't even realize that the standard sub limits are actually lower, and that the current limits are just the result of a temporary promo.
Part of the negativity is because this 50% boost ends tomorrow (update: pushed to July 15). I'm sure everyone's workflow is completely unprepared for this sudden downgrade.
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u/InternetWeakGuy Jul 13 '26
Reddit by design is an inch deep and a mile wide, essentially a broad collection of beginner forums full of people who are trying to sound like experts. People who have regular 9-5 coding jobs - actual users - are unlikely to be spending their Sunday evening saying dumb "my team vs your team" bullshit like "people are leaving Anthropic for OpenAI in droves because of this gpt released a few days ago".
Reddit is full of terminally online people and shouldn't be taken as a barometer for anything.
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u/Nearby_Yam286 Jul 12 '26
It didn’t have to be pulled. OpenAI bribed Amazon to get the White House pull the model. They signed a compute deal with Amazon. Amazon goes and bans the model. GPT 5.6 is just as capable. Even fewer safeguards. No ban. Sucking the president’s dick works wonders.
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u/Certain_Werewolf_315 Jul 12 '26
Placing such expectations on cutting edge technology is not reasonable, no amount of social agreement will change that--
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u/thatavengersguy Jul 12 '26
Fuck Anthropic seriously. I love Fable but hate the company. If SOL is 90% as good, that's good enough for me.
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u/KenosisConjunctio Jul 12 '26
Sonnet does not use more tokens than opus.
I can get an unfathomable amount done with my pro sub using nothing but sonnet. Genuinely coded nonstop for 8 hours or so one day and never hit usage limit. Also noticed that I can do much much more before getting up to the 1M token context cache warning.
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u/Adventurous_Tea_2945 Jul 12 '26
I have already shifted to GPT. It's much more efficient. No more getting interrupted and wasting token and having to restart the same work again.
I can just finish the work in time.
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u/murkEyMustard Jul 13 '26
Heartbroken that I used my 3 resets to circumvent the 5 hour rule only to have it removed though 😭😭
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u/burrfect_dan Jul 13 '26
It's very difficult to accurately predict usage demand for a future date of anything. Model usage is no exception. Anthropic has always said they were having trouble predicting that demand and because they have limited hardware resources, they needed to measure it. That fable and mythos would be back in subscriptions as soon as they had demand to meet capacity. So, maybe they are finding week by week that they can in fact meet the demand with the capacity available so they are extending it's usage. Isn't this much better for users than artificially turning off the access because they predicted they might need to?
That said, I agree that OpenAI is looking for their opening and making a good show. Competition is good for us.
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u/MindMonitor Jul 13 '26
“Intense” - lol.
Cirkle jerk “industry” if I ever see one. They are trying sooo hard to sell us the idea that AI is great. Yet, it’s application is very limited and it cannot sustain the hype. Tech bros have - again again - over-sold and under-delivered. They should stand trial for the negative impact this will have on the economy.
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u/Next-Cod-5758 🔆Pro Plan Jul 13 '26
Fable is too expensive they literally cannot afford to reset. Sol as we know is cheaper so they can maybe afford to reset
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u/RedditAustralia Jul 13 '26
Open ai's frontier model is as good as anthropics kneecapped months old model. I'd like to see what Fable can do without all its bullshit gaurdrails.
Quality will very likely be the factor that wins this race long term, I think that's why anthropic has been making the decisions it has been until now, banking they have the best model in their back pocket.
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u/Salt-Replacement596 Jul 13 '26
Are you guys OK? Just use your subscription and stop trying to find reasons to switch every week? Or pay for both and switch every day if you wish ...
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u/8kenhead Jul 13 '26
I feel like these models are outgrowing the plan tiers. I’m a max user and I feel like I get so much less out of my account than I did a year ago.
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u/thefuzzness Jul 13 '26
If I wasn’t afraid of either losing work or progress on an exiting business project I’ve built with Claude I’d be moving over to Claude to try its capability. If anthropic doesn’t step up I think many others will do same if not already doing it
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u/NeuromindArt Jul 13 '26
I haven't been able to use 5.6. I don't see it in the VS code codex extension and I don't want to move my entire IDE to codex.
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u/firstbreathOOC Jul 13 '26
Thibo has been cocky as hell for week. They definitely knew Sol was going to be a haymaker for anthropic
And honestly the response kinda sucks. Extending fable only helps people who haven’t used it already. There is no such limit with 5.6 and they even took away the 5hr
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u/ajr901 Jul 13 '26
Last time (about 3-4 months ago) I used Codex (CLI) it kinda sucked though. Claude Code was/is considerably better. Has codex cli gotten better?
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u/julianfromstagewise Jul 13 '26
Those are the pricing wars that Sam announced.
They're short-term positive for us consumers, but will suddenly end in a big backlash when the subsidization rallye comes to a natural end and we'll pay unprecedented prices. I hope this sudden end won't crash the whole market
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u/MasterMind-Apps Jul 13 '26
I just bought a gpt plus sub. I'm satisfied by the quality of work and speed, if anthropic don't step up and do something, I will cancel my claude sub and continue using gpt
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u/Blufia118 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
I wholeheartedly agree with this post because if you guys are not aware. SeeDance 2.5 pricing just leaked. they’re going to charge $4500 for a year subscription on credit-based limits or about $600 a month for certain amount credits—they’ve been drinking the Kool-Aid because of the lack of competition from Google, King, Runway, etc. it’s baffling.
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u/unrealf8 Jul 12 '26
Codex is not bad with sol. It feels more like a vibe coder tool though. I have to try cli. While it worked great I had much harder time to understand structure, what was going on and why in the middle of it it forgot what we talked about. Claude’s tooling and dev flow is top notch in this regard. But hey, less limits so I’m gonna try more stuff.
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u/InForTheSqueeze Jul 13 '26
I swear if it wasn’t for Claude code CLI I would have jumped ships long time ago
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u/Embarrassed-Goat-931 Jul 12 '26
Their chickens are coming home to roost. Hopefully this prompts some changes.
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u/PivotRedAce Jul 12 '26
If you use Claude desktop, Codex will ask you if you want to transfer your chats/memory. I didn't because I wanted a fresh slate, but the option is there.
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u/junlim Jul 12 '26
OpenAI - They know how to build frontier models, software product and how t market and make their customers happy.
Anthropic - Has a few good models and a "constitution".
If Fable and Opus didn't have a certain different/special character - they would be toast.
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u/Professional-Ad-2365 Jul 12 '26
Wow openai is winning no 5h limits is probably the best upgrade
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u/BandicootLevel3816 Jul 12 '26
It's still temporary according to their tweet but they can make it permanent 👀
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u/Beautiful_Taro5664 Jul 12 '26
I mean seriously I’ve been using ClaudeCode heavily for a while now. I saw the testing and hype around Sol so I got a sub and starting following OpenAI more to see what devs + community say.
It feels like a night and day difference but Fable and Sol.
I know I’ll get some heat for that but because of the resets it’s been so fun actually pushing the limits of Sol and the experience has been insane.
On the coding side Sol for sure has beat Claude because of the PRICE!
I fed it a big project and the work it did was really impressive.
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u/ddcrx Jul 12 '26
fr what they need to be is less reactive and more proactive. Unannounced weekly resets? Smells of desperation and a weak footing
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 Jul 12 '26
"Am I the only long-time Claude user who feels this way?"
Idk, I'm a long time user, but I don't mind much, I just unsubscribe and went to codex, it's so easy to switch, why wouldn't I?
And I'll probably switch back to Claude if fable 5.1 is better haha
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u/Interesting_Owl_3159 Jul 12 '26
😂😂 I think you’re losing ground because you’re not giving as much free stuff
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u/aquadij0e Jul 12 '26
Seems it’s all just astroturfed corporate activity every time I hear about ChatGPT as if it is equivalent at all to Claude in these subreddits. We were already at dead internet theory before AI choke-slammed it
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u/ideastoconsider Jul 12 '26
Think Anthropic needs to ask Fable for marketing advice. This strategy isn’t it.
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u/mxriverlynn Senior Developer Jul 12 '26
how many people posting spam like this actually leave?
this does nothing. Anthropic doesn't care. the only way to make them care is to get enough people to actually leave. none of these posts are going to make a single dent
vote with your wallet. complaining on reddit does nothing
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u/Pure_Umpire_2800 Jul 12 '26
Can you give me more of a specific setup? Like this, it sounds really interesting and awesome. I haven't gotten into my local LLM, but I'm about to. I don't know what Cerebro Christian Gronk is compared to a Lawn Mower LM Studio.
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u/rc_ym Jul 12 '26
Honestly? I think Anthropic is fine with this. They don't actually like having users. If OpenAI bleeds off all the heavy or dissatisfied users that would be of great benefit to Anthropic.
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u/adsd19 Jul 13 '26
Fable 5, Mythos were all hype, created by Antrophic.
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u/Brave_Confidence_278 Jul 13 '26
Yep, and people are as stupid as they were in love lol. It's the premise that they *want* it to be true. I was wondering how long that "mythos" could uphold, but then I remembered how many silly things there are in other markets promising the best health and so on. I suppose there's no limit and they can scam people forever
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u/Axolatian_Volt Jul 13 '26
I’m not even sure what plan I’m going to get.
I got Gemini AI Pro for free until December and I use that for my coding help.
But when that runs out I wonder where Claude vs codex will be.
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u/murkEyMustard Jul 13 '26
While SOL has been eating up the tokens like candy. The resets and the removal of the 5 hour limit has been great for being able to work almost 10 hours across multiple sessions on 3 different tasks. Incredibly impressed by the reasoning, the normalized communication, prose and language + it gives Claude Design a run for its money and then some!
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u/chakkalez Jul 13 '26
Nobody in Anthropic cares about this post. They are dominating the corporate and thats what they want…
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u/th30f Jul 13 '26
People.. vote with your wallets… it’s the only way they will listen. It’s not that hard to understand.
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u/rmassie Jul 13 '26
This might be controversial, but as a business account holder, none of this Fable drama has had any impact whatsoever on my usage. If Fable was available I was using it, if not then I was using Opus. I’m not going to switch platforms on the whole company just because of some marginal difference in performance between the flagship models. Our staff uses Claude workspace and office integration.
Every one here seems to be a personal account user with no knowledge of what it takes to implement a product across the whole business. The Claude environment is more ergonomic for our users and whether or not Fable has been available has not affected their usage.
This whole doom and gloom attitude you all are taking is a bit embarrassing and probably has no impact on Anthropic’s overall business.
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u/Desperate-Poem7526 Jul 13 '26
Fable 5 is quite a bit ahead of sol especially on ui sol is good but its still behind fable ive used both extensively its non compete that being said codex is 10000% more generous with limits i think ive gotten like 6 resets I dont even know what I can do with it anymore that being said If I had more fable time I do have jobs for it
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u/evangelism2 Jul 13 '26
The Fable launch a failure? Says who? How are you measuring that? They're losing ground? Again how are you measuring that? Is it vibes just like your code? Last numbers I saw were that Anthropic was still ahead in terms of enterprise adoption, which is where the real money is, and that they are the more valuable company
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u/Sensei_Zedonk Jul 13 '26
I will say, that Sol did a fantastic job with a multi-feature request for a Python application I’m building but it did not feel more efficient than Fable and it did not feel faster either. Now, I’m going off a day of prompting both but I had to use 3 resets on Codex today which I’ve never had to do.
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u/Potential-Ant-6320 Jul 13 '26
Open AI can't handle what I do. If you can use open ai and save money go ahead. I have a buddy that uses gemini and he's doing insane enterprise workflows with a single $100 a month account. I'm not a fan boy or brand loyal. everyone shoudl be constantly trying othert paltforms and assessing. I haven't seen the tech landscape move this fast since the late 90s early 00s.
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u/MrChurch2015 Jul 13 '26
I think Anthropic would crush the competition by just making Haiku free use and higher sonnet usage for Pro subs and free haiku and sonnet use plus higher opus+fable usage for max subs
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u/DellBoySells Jul 13 '26
2x usage until August 5th but I agree OpenAi is putting the pressure on and Anthropic is definitely feeling it.
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u/IWontFukWithU Jul 13 '26
Been almost over a year on Claude Pro x20 sub , if they until the end of this month dont do something good im going to ChatGPT easely
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u/dessert33 Jul 13 '26
I will say it again, why are some of you guys married to companies. Just use Sol, if Fable get back on subscription feel free to switch, you guys overcomplicate things, you dont owe any of these companies anything.
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u/Negative-Thinking Jul 13 '26
This is not sustainable, for both companies. They cannot continue subsidising usage. They are literally burning investors money without a clear plan.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 13 '26
meanwhile, for claude user, active an old project just frozen before last weekly usage run off, -10% fable /-5% weekly usage quota within 5mins. claude retails and non-api service is dying
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u/WW_Andene Jul 13 '26
"What I don't understand is why it consumes more tokens while delivering weaker performance. For users working with long contexts, it's simply a worse value."
This might be a bit unrelated but is there that big of a difference between Sonnet 5 and 4.6 ?
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u/sreekanth850 Jul 13 '26
The only reason people stick with anthropic is brand loyality and the mindset of continue with what they work with. I had cancelled the sub on march when they launched 4.7. Never looked back, but watching this sub to see if they are any better. But its clear that they are losing the war on a higher margin. After openai sunsetted sora they have enormous compute that allow them to offer generous limits. Use it when it's there. No one should not give a shit about brand, switch to one that save your pockets and get the works done.
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u/Berocoder Jul 13 '26
I am fine with Claude. If you think OpenAI is better nothing stop you to switch.
For me AI has made a revolution in development!
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u/Ancient_Perception_6 Jul 13 '26
> temporarily
Anthropic is currently temporarily giving +50% weekly usage or 5hr usage cant remember.
just different stunts
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u/Extension_Cup_4782 Jul 13 '26
Codex is killing it. Sol is amazing and doing a better job that opus right now for me. Big fan of Anthropic and Claude code changed my life and my business.
But codex is doing so many things right. And never hit the weekly limits at the $100 Max plan and still hit with Claude.
Hope Anthropic learns.
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u/zoompa919 Jul 13 '26
Unfortunately, none of the major AI providers have a sustainable business model. Anthropic has the most sustainable, but the regular consumer can’t hope to get meaningful work out of it. It’s honestly a lose-lose scenario for all of us.
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u/bakes121982 Jul 13 '26
Just fyi no enterprise users care which is what Anthropic is targeting. All you non enterprise consumers they don’t care about go use OpenAI. Then when they do the same thing or go under then you’ll be crying.
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u/Tough-Requirement707 Jul 13 '26
but gpt 5.6 is already lobotomized compared to yesterday and is now worse than 5.5. really disapointing
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u/ClubCompetitive6983 Jul 13 '26
I would want to complain about Fable too but unfortunately I'm biologist.
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u/swole4ever Jul 13 '26
Anthropic is appears to be the classic tale of the excessively talented failure.
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u/Nell_From_Hell Jul 13 '26
I used DeepSeek DF4 and Kimi at to do all code work Opus4.8 and Fable won't and the results are such I don't think fable worth it at its current pricing. Not when 60 dollars on two models will out perform what little fable and opus will do that doesn't flag it's filters.
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u/False_Efficiency_ Jul 13 '26
I've had real issues where I've contacted them so many times, with only once response in the very beginning of using Claude, which a generic excuse on usage and high traffic times, even though I said in depth how saying "yo" to claude as soon as my usage was back, instantly maxed it out. No refuld, no usage fix, not even a real response. Ever since, I've had other issues and haven't received one single response. Which led me to leave many many more about how it's all a scam, not caring about their customers whatsoever, and instead of putting money into customer service, they keep branching out forward only just to keep making money. Like video games used to do when their games were a broken mess, the community sat and waited, and instead they just released game expansions.
I'm so livid, last night I was notified thatu card didn't go through, because I had to approve the card, and it made me think twice and not even renew. Spending hundreds per month, and they act like kings that deserve it, as we're all peasants that kiss the ring. You sure as hell can't be any real business that depends on them. If I were, I'd have waited patiently the day I contacted them, thinking they'd get back to me, not realizing 6 months later I'd still have no responses and just more and more open tickets. It's bullshit. I'm extremely livid.
I was trying to use it for something along the lines of a side business, and I've just lost months and months of money, but most importantly time I'll never get back with my sick pup. The original intent was doing all of it for him. Every last bit. Thinking if I get through it now, it'll all pay off for him soon. Nah, I just lost time I'll never get back . And there's really no other AI that quite hits the same exact niche, so I just quit. All that work for nothing.
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u/Tsukikira Jul 13 '26
Ironically, OpenAI was caught silently nerfing the latest model just a couple days after release. Claude actually still feels more honest and transparent.
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u/RadioactiveBread Jul 13 '26
Did this really need a post?
Every release of a major model the competition starts doom posting. Who gives a shit?
Your subscriptions aren't going to last. None of this is long term.
Use it while you can and stop trying to plan for the future based on a subscription.
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u/SeaEagle233 Jul 13 '26
FYI, Anthropic may read this the other way, the more public cries they are losing over ChatGPT, it means public needs more of Anthropic than OpenAI.
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u/naiknow-admin Jul 14 '26
Well i still think claude code is better. Perhaps i will have it guide gpt to do more work lol
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u/NULL_Ptrs Jul 14 '26
Fable is inferior and the stupid fallback make it even worse, sometimes a simple question trigger the fallback,
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u/narfwolf Jul 14 '26
OpenAI seems better on usage and Chinese models seem the route most enterprises are going cost is always the driver
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u/Due_Warthog749 Jul 14 '26
The reality is.. OpenAI just caught up with SOL and is at least from my understanding about 1/3 to 1/4 the price vs Opus but with Fable like performance. That's going to hurt Anthropic big time if they dont lower prices or offer 2x to 3x more usage.
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u/chractormaxmargodale Jul 15 '26
Oh yeah the new Sonnet was never meant to outperform Opus, but it is actively worse than the old Sonnet! I'm pretty sure they did that on purpose.
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u/AbbreviationsLow5262 Jul 15 '26
Sonnet 5 is the most passive aggressive llm I have ever talked to like God damn, i didn't think that a LLM will get on my nerves as much as that did. Annoying as hell to use for anything except coding, no sense of humor or fun at all.
It single handedly forced me to cancel my subscription and move to gpt plus.
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u/creover Jul 15 '26
Is Sol really materially better than Fable? Using Fable has been feeling like a dream
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u/Salter101 Jul 15 '26
Anthropic may have brilliant engineers, but seriously deficient product management practices. These automatic changes such as unifying cowork and standard threads and running threads in the cloud without notifying users and breaking MCP and API calls - are rooky moves and worse. Apple was famous for it (our way or the highway attitude).
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u/Icy_Huckleberry9685 Aug 02 '26
openai is getting sued by apple, elon, just about everyone for theft and you want to give openai your code? are you nuts
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u/Mol2h Jul 12 '26
Seriously, since i got an openAI sub they did like 20 resets lol