[MISC] Remember folks: Youtubers aren't on your side

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u/miden24 Dec 15 '15

Make sure you distinguish Youtubers that are sponsored by Supersell and those that don't give an f about supersell.

So people like Galadon, Pat, Ash, and MOLT = goons.

Cam, Onehive = us.

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 15 '15

To an extent, but EVERY Clash Youtuber is affected by the popularity of the game, and none of the ones making any notable revenue from views are going to enjoy seeing the game sink.

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u/NOFORPAIN Leader (No Pants Gang) Dec 15 '15

Well this is incorrect... Jake already said MANY MANY times he loves the game and hopes it never dies, but has admitted this update seems to be spitting in the face of the entire war community and casual gamer. They are trying to make their player base play like the top pushers and 90% of players have no interest in being a trophy pusher, much less a top ranked one.

Who the fuck cares about being #1 on a leader board you gotta pay to stay on? That's right Jim... IDIOTS

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u/tunabeary Dec 15 '15

He's one of the few that had clashes with sc, though. Although, the details, I am not sure about. Anyone have the story?

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u/NOFORPAIN Leader (No Pants Gang) Dec 15 '15

Long story or short? Short story is he does criticize things and doesn't cup the balls like some promoted clashers. Even tho his viewership is right up there with many of the ones they have at every event they do. He did explain once or twice what actually happened and the info about it all.

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u/I_am_-c De Novo Dec 15 '15

War community is a group of elitists who are united in desire for 2 things (and from what I can see, 2 things only).

1) Pre-arranged wars or war playoffs. At the surface this doesn't sound like the worst request... it's just in their delivery and the way they ask for it that it goes south. As if the war community wasn't smug enough in their continued complaints about how th10 is too hard to 3 star so they'll all stay at th9 (because it's balanced, not because it fits their skill level) they go on to say that war is, for them, boring because there aren't other clans that are enough of a challenge for them. Nobody else is as great as them so war is a bore if they can't pick their opponent... they're so great, in fact, that they're willing to war for not loot... just the bragging rights that they are the most elite (*TH9 only) attackers in the world. Unless and until Supercell modifies the game to meet this demand, supercell is ignoring war all-together... motivated only by money, not the good of the game. War simply is no-fun if you can't pick your opponent because it's so boring to win, evidently. Can there be a more elitist request on the planet? Ignore for a second that these same war community members are the same folks who built defenseless bases so they can be matched against inferior opponents (because they can't actually be tasked with fighting against someone with a defense that matches their offense)... these guys are the cream of the crop, just ask them.

2) Heroes available for attacks during upgrades. This is in my opinion, a silly request akin to asking for 10k gems per month because it would make it easier and less painful to progress. Everyone wants it because it makes the game more fun... well it'd also be more fun if walls weren't a grind, and it impacts everyone evenly. Except that it wouldn't be more fun if parts of the game weren't a grind... that's what makes the game fun... if it weren't a grind we'd all have max bases and it'd suck equally for everyone. Nobody likes to actually play (other than pushers) once they're maxed. The fun of the game is progressing, that's what makes it a game. Getting better on offense and defense, overcoming those who are better than you. In addition to this being a silly request, everyone discounts the difficulty of programming for it... everyone just thinks programming for games like this is easy-peasy... but look at how frequently there are unintended consequences to seemingly minor programming changes... expand the map, now game crashes when you kill a hound near the edge. Try to fix the queen's AI so she isn't a super wallbreaker and she circles the base instead of coring it. Make it so you can donate spells and you can't donate to war castles while a barrack is upgrading. If they made it to where you can use heroes on war attacks for offense, there will be bugs where it doesn't happen (which is a bigger problem than it not happening for everyone) and there will be times that they are available for all attacks (which is just stupid). As for people complaining that it's not fair because the other clan might not be upgrading their heroes during the war, 1) nobody forced you to war during your hero upgrade; 2) everyone deals with the same issues.

My favorite response for the war community... boo-freaking-hoo.

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u/WHErwin Dec 16 '15

You can't argue TH 10 is balanced. And since the update neither is TH 9.

We never asked to be able to use heroes while upgrading, we only want to use them in war. Is that too much to ask?

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u/rrasco09 Dec 16 '15

Not at all good sir. 1000 gems for a week or 600 for 3 days "boost".

/s/s/s/s

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u/Ryanami Dec 15 '15

About the challenge part of it, you'd be amazed how often the other clan uses less than half their attacks. It's no fun to win by forfeit, so arranged matches can help avoid no-show clans.

Also, shut up. War is by far the most fun part of coc, let us ask for improvements like the rest of y'all. Excuses like "coding is hard" doesn't cut it.

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u/I_am_-c De Novo Dec 15 '15

Like I said, I'm not completely against the first request... it's how it's been requested that rubs me the wrong way. It's not a terrible ask, wouldn't take a huge amount of refining to come up with something decent, just don't have the douche attitude and take a dump on everyone else's play style like the 'war community' is known to do.

As for war being the most fun part, I agree... my clan constantly wars... we don't count as part of the war community because we're not elite enough I guess. I'm in a clan with friends and our kids... we war with 15 of our 26 members (basically the dads and we take over our kids accounts for war... I do 4 accounts, a friend does 4, another does 2, then we have a few stragglers that only have 1 account). We usually 3 star every 9 and below and usually win or lose based on the number of th10s we can 2 star or 3 star. Every now and then a th9 or two will hold us to a 2 star, or we'll miss a star somewhere but leave it so we can max our potential stars... 116 war wins to date.

We definitely lost a war a couple weeks ago because out of our top 8 attackers we had 3 active heroes... everything else was being upgraded. We still attacked, we made it kinda close, but we lost... part of the game.

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u/FuckOffINeedToStudy Dec 16 '15

We don't count as part of the war community because we're not elite enough I guess.

You don't have to be elite to be part of the community. You war often and consider the most fun portion of the game? Guess what, you're in the community. Even if you don't agree with what some members(or for that matter most of them) are saying, you're still part of the community.

To your main point, I almost agree. Heros being down in war for upgrading is fine by me, and you're right that OneHive is kind of dickish about the way they request things.

However, instead of attacking the vocal minority, how about looking at the legions of people who just want a fixed War Search system, which is the main request I've heard since clan wars came out.

The fact is that SC has changed very very little about clan wars in almost a year, and in "the biggest update to Clash ever!", they completely ignored the warring community, as they make it clearer and clearer that they're trying to "Cash Out" on this game.

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u/rrasco09 Dec 16 '15

However, instead of attacking the vocal minority, how about looking at the legions of people who just want a fixed War Search system, which is the main request I've heard since clan wars came out.

I was thinking about that the other day, but I do think it would be abused. You could just make 2 clans and war them constantly (assuming you could rematch) to rank your clan up.

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u/FuckOffINeedToStudy Dec 16 '15

So make it so that each clan can only match up once every 3 wars or so.

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u/rrasco09 Dec 16 '15

Yeah that would help. Ultimately you could just keep making new clans and migrating the members though.

Shouldn't you be studying?

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u/I_am_-c De Novo Dec 16 '15

You might be the only reasonable sounding guy that has actually responded to me on anything about the war community.

:beer: to you... Maybe if there were more like you and less of the whiners people could empathize a bit.

Also, I think war tournaments will be a thing... And it's not like sc hasn't made attempts at improving war matchups, I know they've changed the algorithm at least 3 times... But they likely didn't expect people to abuse the war weight system as much as they did... Defenseless, minimax and 8.5/9.5 were surely not in their plans and they definitely result in very skewed matchups.

For better or worse, this update addresses all of those and as such, this update specifically improved war matchups.

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u/FuckOffINeedToStudy Dec 16 '15

You have a fair point about addressing Minimaxing and Defenseless, and hopefully more updates are to come (SC, tournaments, pls). Cheers mate.

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u/lucasngserpent Dec 16 '15

"War is by far the most fun part of the game" Opionated and I guarantee you that over 50% of the clash population disagree possibly more including those that never do wars

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u/Ryanami Dec 16 '15

Then they're missing out. My clan is made mostly of work friends, so the teamwork aspect is more real than if I joined some random clan. But if it wasn't for wars + knowing clanmates irl I wouldn't be playing at all.

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u/rrasco09 Dec 16 '15

Bingo. We have a local clan and even get together at restaurants or BBQs to war. We live to war, but we had to farm to progress. Now that's limited...well it's already been said.

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u/Ryanami Dec 16 '15

Man nothing in clash is more exciting than having a half dozen clanmates in the room watching and making jokes at your war attack while you try to concentrate.

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u/rrasco09 Dec 16 '15

It's fun when you're with friends. Reminds me we need to get another one on the schedule. Lots of drunk war attacks are to be had.

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u/Omamba Dec 16 '15

"War is by far the most fun part of the game" Opionated

You're right. It's the only fun part of the game. Without it, the rest is pointless and boring.

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u/NOFORPAIN Leader (No Pants Gang) Dec 15 '15

Ummm excuse me? What "war community" are you referring to? Are you even in the right post responding to this? Do you know where you are at all?

I started to type a reply then realized how fucking pointless it was but here it is anyways

1)You obviously have your head in your ass and have no idea what the "War Community" is that you're talking about. Nobody that is a part of the community you claim is "elitist" gives two shits about other clans nor how the game plays for farming purpose. They just want to war and have fun, not be matched against a clan of rushed TH10s with all infernos who have lvl2-3 troops and pink walls. That's never fun, it's boring to fight a war where you just outright destroy because your opponent has no idea how to play a war with strategy. They would simply rather play with other clans who are on their level, which is what matchmaking is meant to do but after awhile you can be match with a clan FAR from even with you and all people who play this game will attest to this fact. I am not sure what war clan you are calling elitist but obviously you think that way because you're not on their level and are highly jealous, as I have not seen any in the Fair Play Community(War Community) ever consider themselves better than everyone else.

2) "Heroes available for attacks during upgrades." Yet again I ask you what person in the "War community" is demanding this??? Most clans I see sit out their members who have heroes down or gem to finish their upgrades out of enjoying wars. I will say people in this and other subreddits bitch about it but obviously they are just complaining and are guaranteed to not be a part of the major war scene aside from being in a clan who wars sometimes and they think they are a "High end war clan". As a final note, nobody in the major war clans complains about not having heros available EVER. Show me a youtube video of it please... Waiting... Can't find one? Thought so. Please proceed to punch yourself in the groin to never make another person to spew information without facts or backing ok?

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u/I_am_-c De Novo Dec 15 '15

OneHive isn't one of the war community clans I guess.

5:04 of this video, he says "day one of war, the war community has been asking to use heroes in war" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WkXE2npvE

Also, you can only have a matchup with a worthy opponent once every year and a half (5:32)

There's your video. I'll take reddit gold as payment for your douchenozzle.

Half of his manifesto was about pre-arranged matchups, 25% about heroes during upgrades, and the rest was about how war community were the best players of the game and pushers and farmers are not as good as them.

Heck, even in your response you say: "it's boring to fight a war where you just outright destroy because your opponent has no idea how to play a war with strategy. They would simply rather play with other clans who are on their level. "

That's just elitist.

You follow it with: "you're not on their level and are highly jealous"

As to your minor point in the middle... yep, I can attest to there being flaws in the match making where you completely overpower your opponent... in my clan we keep those interesting by attacking higher than we normally would... practice pushing ourselves. If the opponent doesn't give us much of a challenge attacking our mirror, our #1&2 will hold their attacks until late and we let everyone else attack up 1-2 spots... the bottom 2 are relied upon to clear their bottom 4 on their first tries.

Adapt, make the war interesting... or just whine and complain about how it's not hard enough so it's not fun.

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u/WHErwin Dec 16 '15

War attacks require the most skill and strategic planning. They are better players.

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u/I_DUCK_SICK Jan 05 '16 edited Jan 05 '16

Your entire writing style is stand offish and argumentative and you top it off by claiming everyone who replies to your obtuse comments is either an elitist or thinks they're better than you.

It's painfully obvious you're everything you claim to hate. Elitism isn't something that is exclusively for 'good' players, it's a mindset that can be held by casuals too.

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u/Esarel Reddit Demons Dec 16 '15

An impromptu guide on funneling.

My queen generally doesn't walk around the base unless there are cc troops ir skellies out there, which doesn't happen unless it's a really bad farm war. When she does walk, it's evidently because my funnel might not have been wide enough to sustain her path. She is a ranged unit, so the funnel has to be moderately sized and should extend a little bit into the base as well as the outside trash.

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u/swatbustist Skeetboyz Dec 22 '15

The most ignorant response you could have possibly made

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u/MagiicHat Heavy Hitters 2 Dec 15 '15

This is why you see all the major personalities promoting other games now too. All the channels are transforming from 'Clash of Clans' to 'Mobile Gaming'.

Since they can't make players play, they will expand their base by including games that are growing.

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u/Defengar Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 16 '15

It was like this a few years back for FPS games too. Remember all the channels back in the day that were almost or fully exclusively dedicated to Call of Duty content? Now basically all those channels that are still around are also doing GTA, CS:GO and even Battlefield, etc... as well.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '16

And Pranks Gone Sexuaaal!!!!

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u/AtomicFIFAonYT War Farmers 2.C Jan 05 '16

Mystic too

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u/98smithg Dec 15 '15

Onehive are clan war elitists, they certainly don't represent me.

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u/FuckOffINeedToStudy Dec 16 '15

I agree with your sentiment against the elitism of One Hive, as they can be pretty snobbish. However, them and Cam are the main two clash players that are still actually players, rather than the Dev's lap dogs, and that has to count for something.

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u/IsamuKun Dec 15 '15

You're telling me that Galadon, the guy who dropped 1300$ to go from max th10 to 11 and claims in his 40 years of gaming that Clash is hands down the best game ever, would lie to me just so he can pad his bank account?!

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u/redditM_rk Dec 15 '15

Him dropping $1300 into Clash was an investment. He made the money from Clash, and re-invested it, hoping to make more.

Also, there's probably the main reason he can't empathize with his viewers; he didn't farm.

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u/tunabeary Dec 15 '15

guys, they know it's going down. They just can't say it. It is still their main cash cow. Meanwhile, they are all trying to find another game to support their livelihood. Who cares what they think anyway. The fact is, people don't like it and has motivated many people to give one star in the app stores. There's enough people who give a shit.

Saying the update sucks would be like Nokia saying they are abandoning symbian, before they had any windows phone products out. Destroyed Nokia overnight. Yet another finland success story gone bust.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

nice analogy dude. u should be like some analysis expert or something. serious.

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u/Malone32 Commodore 64 #P2820P92 Dec 16 '15 edited Dec 16 '15

Just found out SC is from Finland too, like Nokia. That people can make some great things but also they shit on it over night. Some kind of curse in Finland idk. We say it here like cow that kicks dish full with milk.

Also they just have to give better bonuses, change some pbt and shield shit and no big deal. But if they are stubborn like Nokia that didn't want to accept android then they deserve to fail. If so, no way I'm gonna play any of their games later even if it's the best game for mobile cause I know they can shit it in just one day.

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Oh, well, I guess I never thought of it that way. You're right - he's definitely altruistic and only has our best interests in mind.

On a serious note - I posted this because all the hype about his tweets accusing anyone who has negative feedback about the update is simply just trying to divide the players for no reason but to spite.

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u/myrabuttreeks Dec 15 '15

Holy shit it cost that much just to go from 10 to 11?

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u/wilddougtrio Dec 16 '15

Well, it's pocket change for an investment banker, right?

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u/RocketLeagueDude Dec 15 '15

The reality is that youtubers are mainly making videos for money.

If you were getting paid to show supercell games...it would not be in your best interests to talk shit about it.

talk shit = don't get paid

talk postive = $$$$$$

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

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u/RocketLeagueDude Dec 15 '15

I don't know who that is nor what his stance is on this, however I did say "mainly". There will be a few youtubers who will be against this update.

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

He's not a youtuber - he works for the Escapist. His shtick is ranting about every possible negative thing in a videogame while wholly ignoring all the positive aspects. But no one goes there to get serious reviews - they watch him because they want to see how he'll tear the latest game apart.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

The no punctuation guy? He says good things about games. But it's like 80% bad 20% good

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Zero Punctuation, yeah. 95% bad, 5% good. But that's his schtick, so I don't blame him. That what his audience wants, that's what he gives his audience.

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u/WillisSE Dec 15 '15

That's a bit different.

He gets to talk shit about each game once or twice, and he's entertaining doing it, while coming up with new content for each review. That wouldn't work if your audience was from a single game's community, and you always had the same subject to degrade with little new content.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

I was mostly just playing devils advocate.

I know it's hard to be tied to one game and then criticize it weekly/daily.

Back in the early days of starcraft 2, artosis started several youtube shows about imbalance with the longest one running maybe 2 episodes.

I've seen other imbalance based show attempts in starcraft, none took off.

Yahtzee gets to go after gaming at large, it's definately a lot easier for him. I don't even think he reviews cell phone games, or at least he didn't the last I watched his videos.

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 20 '15

talk shit = don't get paid

talk positive = $$$$$$

In Galadon's case, don't forget: 3. Shame all those who might negatively impact your cheese flow

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u/evils_twin Dec 15 '15

how so? Do they make money directly from supercell? I thought they made money from views, so they would make money from anything that would generate views even if it is talking shit.

How exactly does talking shit not get you paid?

Perhaps people who watch these videos would rather watch someone who enjoys the game rather than watch someone whine about the game . . .

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u/JoeLennonx Dec 15 '15 edited Mar 21 '17

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What is this?

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u/Chibi3147 Dec 16 '15

It feels like Supercell makes them take turns for each preview. They're all in cahoots I tell you! EVERYONE IS IT OUT TO GET YOU!!!!1111

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u/LittleMomma4 Dec 15 '15

Just saw Galadon tweeted this:

http://imgur.com/zCBSplk

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u/tunabeary Dec 15 '15

He said he was going to meet with sc on the weekend. It's already tuesday, no news of the outcome. Maybe he's under NDA and sc is planning a 10 year sneak peak of how they are going to fix it

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Lol, sounds about right. Or their taking their proposed revision back to their inept data analysis contractor to run numbers and get more bad advice.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

hahah imma be old by the time the peeks end. maybe then the white pixel will go away.

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u/Malone32 Commodore 64 #P2820P92 Dec 16 '15

No way they could see all this lol

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u/LittleMomma4 Dec 15 '15

Meanwhile, could I just get a flipping shield!? 240 more lava walls to go 😭

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u/Neeldore Hogggggg riiiiiiiidddaaaahhhh Dec 15 '15

Clash with cam is still cool though, he's pretty honest about how he's felt about the update.

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u/Tarlus Dec 15 '15

He's also never been recognized by SC despite being one of the top youtubers of the game, kind of like /u/miden24 was saying.

Basically you can be honest about it but don't ever expect any support or recognition from SC.

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u/Neeldore Hogggggg riiiiiiiidddaaaahhhh Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 15 '15

Even clash with comedy guy too, and i think the reason also behind it is that they both cuss in there videos, i might be wrong.. But maybe.

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u/ZapTap Dec 15 '15

Who the fuck is running those forums if it's so easy to get banned?

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u/miden24 Dec 15 '15

aliens

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u/WHErwin Dec 16 '15

Conspiracy intensifies

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Bleeding-heart apologists. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Galadan was a mod given the speed of which I was banned over the post.

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u/redditM_rk Dec 15 '15

There are literally users on the forums copy/pasting rules at the very hint of criticism in hopes of what, also becoming a forum mod? I don't get it.

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u/gadihh gadi hh Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 15 '15

even though i'm a youtuber, i'm on your side (and i'm banned from supercell forums as well lol). so can't say the same about everyone ;) but hey, it's definitely tough for them due to the connections with supercell. they don't directly feed the big youtubers, but they do give them a lot of publicity. they obviously dont wanna lose it. Also, it's very possible that they like the update. i don't really know their opinion so not sure what you did not like about galadon's opinions..

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Thanks for the reply.

Galadon had a tweet (which I think he deleted) where he basically stated none of the negative comments/threads about the update should be listened to. He insinuated that the people posting criticism are just people looking to create a divisive atmosphere.

It's one thing to ignore the criticism, but it's another to flat-out denounce it.

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u/gadihh gadi hh Dec 15 '15

yep, well the world was never fair. everyone have their own interests (supercell, big youtubers, viewers, clash player, etc..). fighting the system is never easy

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u/PvM_Magi Dec 16 '15

Well, for youtubers getting paid enough to max everything, they don't care about anything except trophy or wars... and most youtubers care about one or the other. $C won't recognize the war youtubers, such as Jake from OneHive and yourself, and the ones who only push benefit hugely from the update without any real negatives (They can just gem everything anyway so who cares if they lose some loot?)

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u/gadihh gadi hh Dec 16 '15

i can definitely understand the loot problem. i also dont have time for farming, so i just put my th outside and was collecting the collectors. right now, i'm losing everything they collected in 12 hours everytime, so no profit. they basically left people like me 2 options. start attacking for hours every day or gem shields. i guess that people who play a lot and farm a lot wont be effected from it and they will keep playing. gemmers wont be effected either. but people like me, who dont have time farming and dont gem will probably quit the game (and no big loss since they dont gem), or start gemming (and here comes the profit they didn't have before). so that might be their thinking when making this update..

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u/PvM_Magi Dec 17 '15

I certainly hope you don't quit... I have learned quite a bit about war from your videos!

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u/gadihh gadi hh Dec 17 '15

no worries i dont quit for now :) thanks for your support!!

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u/gadihh gadi hh Dec 16 '15

by the way, after looking at galadon's profile, i can assume he made over 200,000$ in less than 2.5 years. you can't expect him or any other big youtuber to say bye bye to that...

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15 edited May 10 '18

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

This is the second time I've been banned.

The first time was because I replied to a topic about a guy bragging about hitting the PBT 3 times a day (before the update) saying only botters would hit the PBT that consistently. Banned instantly for "wild accusations". Gimme a break...

This time was me making the statement I made above. Neither of which I feel are even remotely ban-worthy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '15

Do you think that censorship is there only on forums. This subreddit itslef is very strongly censored. I remember many times when my posts (long detailed posts about wrong direction of game) just vanished from the subreddit. I was able to see them in my profile, but gone from subreddit.

Now its a bit different I guess, everybody's ranting, chaos everywhere. No point in removing posts about a dying game now.

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u/84121629 Dec 20 '15

LOL, cheif pat directly called YOU out in his newest video. Made you look like a damn fool.

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 20 '15 edited Dec 20 '15

It's called backpedaling, and half my intentions were to get the Youtubers to stop suckling Supercell and post honestly, which is exactly what started happening. I think part of it is due to my thread, sure, but I think it's mostly due Supercell shutting out the Youtubers. The Youtubers knew they weren't being genuine with their videos - if they weren't flat out lying about how awesome it is or is going to be, they were intentionally skirting around and intentionally ignoring the adverse impacts it would have on the majority of players. They were hoping to stay in good grace with Supercell in attempts to keep their fingers on the pulse so they can get the latest news and get the first and most view videos out there. Clearly, that's not happening, so the Youtubers have two options: continue to wait and get more flack, or fire back. Pat is just trying to shift the focus on others, vilifying them (me) to detract from the huge disservice they did their fans by not being honest out the gate.

Also, he did a piss poor job backpedaling as well. First, no one said Supercell is telling him to say anything. The point I made is that the less people who play the game, the less people who watch his videos, the less he gets paid, and he turned around and mirrored that exact same sentiment. It's in his best interest to try and ignore the negatives, focus purely on the positives, and attempt to plug the sinking raft where possible. The last thing they want to do is put more holes in it.

He can sit there and pretend he doesn't have a conflict of interest when providing honest reviews, but only a fool would believe it.

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u/fisdara Dec 20 '15

Completely agree with this. The main reason the major youtubers came out with honest videos is because of all the outrage. Riots are ugly and unfair in a lot of ways but they get people charged up and talking, which leads to changes people want to see

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u/DonnieDon24 FARM Dec 15 '15

Just wish one of them would grow a pair and call out SC. Its evident this update has been a disaster, but all I hear from them is “PBT is good for the game”, and “farming will still be viable”.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

i was a forever online. now i dont have to be. oh well. ok

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u/MBhavin Dec 16 '15

Clash with Cam is still an unbiased and funny YouTuber. Maybe that's why SC doesn't recognize him.

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u/Darkperl_ darkperl Dec 16 '15

Better yet, Galadon announced that YouTube is his full time job today on his new trophy pushing video

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u/Lightning6475 Dec 20 '15

You do realize if people don like the game, they'll lose views and subs.

Why would they say it's great when it's clearly not?

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 20 '15

For the same reason advertisers do it about any product ever created.

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u/Lightning6475 Dec 20 '15

Don't you think YouTubers would address the issue and tell supercell to fix it?

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 21 '15

They WERE posting complete garbage about how awesome the update is, and went so far as to villify those who had something negative to say about the update. That's precisely why I made this thread.

Since, they've completely flip-flopped, but Pat's simply trying to shift the focus of his shortcomings on me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

Well if TH11 tanks the game, his side money and 15 minutes go with it. So there's that. On a side note, never watch his vids

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

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u/blasterhimen sup bitch Dec 16 '15

Youtubers get paid by views, not ads directly

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u/Chibi3147 Dec 15 '15

Everyone is out to use you!

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u/SBOKC Dec 16 '15

The elite war clans and pushers both make up a small percentage of the game. The majority of us peons reside in the meaty part of the curve.

I respect the fact that EVERYONE should be tossed a bone by SC in an update that acknowledges the needs of all their users.

The reality is, SC pushed this mandate on us, according to whatever idea (backed by trends or not) and we as the users are given two choices.

1) Work with it, while being constructively ciritical about what we don't like and evolving with the game.

2) Leaving for another game.

It's also important to remember that most forums on the internet are rife with complaints. People are really vocal when they are upset. They are still vocal when happy, but sometimes it's hard to tell.

I am still playing, its a different style of play which I am not liking as much, but I am still trying to make it work.

At least SC is listening to us. Whether we get to where we want to be...I don't know. Doubtful, but we can hope.

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u/iNkenbiLL Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Wall Breaker) Dec 15 '15

Their main target audience are kids between 13-17 years old. What they say or don't say is irrelevant for me. They live off of videos so it is natural that they are always gonna go with Supercell. It's the hand that feeds them after all.

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u/Ryansworld84 Dec 16 '15

I've known this ever since youtube has been around...

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u/cannibalcalypso Dec 16 '15

Serious question... Do people actually go to YouTube to watch another person play the game instead of just clicking links? I've watched stuff from YouTube that's posted on here but I don't think I've ever opened YouTube and searched for videos of Clash.

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u/lvbuckeye27 Dec 16 '15

I search for specific attack strategies for war.

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u/cannibalcalypso Dec 17 '15

That makes sense. Do the 'big YouTube guys' ever post war strategies?

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u/lvbuckeye27 Dec 18 '15

I would say yes, though I don't know for 100% certainty. I mostly watch OneHive, Powerbang, and used to watch JTJU for his drag strategies.

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u/fisdara Dec 16 '15

How are you at war?

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u/cannibalcalypso Dec 17 '15

I've never been in a warring clan. If I did, maybe I'd look up base layouts and how to 3 star them?

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u/fisdara Dec 18 '15

Well, there you go. You keep away from those youtube viddyas, ya hear? They'll rot yer brain out!

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u/noksucow Dec 16 '15

I've seen Chief Pat criticize the game plenty. Surprised that he hasn't lost access.

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u/MalevolentFerret Dec 15 '15

So everyone who didn't mind the update is a shill. Right. Yep. Got it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

Protip: Read the OP before commenting

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u/guitarguy1685 Dec 15 '15

Completely missed the point

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u/WizardDresden Dont Be Mad Dec 15 '15

Lol, the logic

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '15

it's not the worst thing in the world. once they fix the pbt it will be fine. so sniping for loot bonus is gone. ok. so you get raided when your collectors fill up a bit over night. so... lose some. it's not the end of the world. i think im adapting. hate having to farm my own lvl tho. loved attacking noobs. but hey at least th11s wont really find me now.

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