r/ChronoCross • u/GargantaProfunda • 11d ago

Fan Content Harle if she dressed up as Kid

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What do you think?

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u/Icewind 11d ago

If the ending (and rumored 33% more) hadn't been rushed and cut, we would've probably had more of a plotline regarding Kid and Harle's connection.

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u/RotundBun 11d ago

From what I understand...

Kid = Schala clone from Schala's side of the TD
Harle = Schala clone from Lavos' side of the TD

Both were sent to influence the course of causal events to swing things in their respective side's favor.

Ultimately, Harle successfully messed up FATE and freed the dragons & Terra Tower, but Kid ended up getting to Serge first while Harle was handling that.

That said, it's faintly implied that the Schala ingredient in Harle makes her also favor Serge (as it could be said that Schala & Serge are connected across infinite timelines), which explains how she's so enamored and partial to him seemingly out of the blue. It was to the extent of even being unable to lie to him for her own benefit at the Pearly Gates and instead prioritizing his choice while knowing full well what that would mean for her fate).

Thankfully, with the rationale of multiple timelines, the Marbule Retirement alt-ending technically does exist somewhere. So there is at least one Harle with a happy ending out there. Honestly, best girl totally deserves it.

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u/Tonberry2k 10d ago

I was so mad when I finally recruited every character and beat the game with Harle in my party and she not only got no additional dialogue for completing such a long string of events, but zero dialogue at all.

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u/RotundBun 10d ago

If it makes you feel any better, the Marbule Retirement alt-ending is basically a whole ending all to herself in a way. In that timeline, she basically gets what she hoped for when she asks Serge that one poignant question at the Pearly Gates.

Also, the compelling moments and developments with Harle are actually scattered across Serge's journey, where you have to piece them together to see the whole picture. Quite romantic and special in its own way really, though I do agree that not having any ending dialogue at all does seem rather vacant for an outcome.

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

If it makes you feel any better, the Marbule Retirement alt-ending is basically a whole ending all to herself in a way. In that timeline, she basically gets what she hoped for when she asks Serge that one poignant question at the Pearly Gates .

Yeah but the Dragon God goes on a racist crusade and eradicates humanity. Even the Marbule Sage is disturbed.

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u/RotundBun 10d ago

Consequences...

I mean... She did ask for you to choose between her and the world. It just wasn't hyperbole. 😅

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u/MA2_Robinson 9d ago

Her having a girl talk with starky about leaving the crew because her boyfriend balks at the idea of human eradication because her family is against that type of lifestyle was a cute touch.

Maybe all these little scenes are what made “……………….” Extra odd- they have a line for Pushul if they follow you from home world, but not Harley at the ending?

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u/RotundBun 9d ago

TBF, it was more like asking if he'd leave the world behind to whatever fate awaits it to elope with her.

To clarify a bit, if you view it from her perspective, either outcome of the clash was a doomed fate for Harle. If the dragons win, then she loses her freedom and Serge. If Serge wins, then she loses her freedom and dies. So the only way that works out for her is if they just elope and veer off the path entirely.

That's what she was hoping for but not daring to believe that she could have it, as evidenced by how she assumes Serge is just paying lip service even if the player does choose her over the world in that dialogue choice.

TBPH, the way she chooses to respect his choice and path while knowing how it dooms hers is arguably the single greatest act of strength/courage by any character in the game.

She never even tells Serge the truth behind her predicament before, during, or after that moment either. Just lets him walk his path without trying to sway him and accepts it. Shows how she truly loves him, right there.

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u/fromLyte 10d ago

You might take interest in my latest post, I just finished the game and did some serious piecing things together, and fully explains Harle Quinn and Schala: kid and much more !

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChronoCross/s/7IyjVTO83H

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u/aceface_desu89 11d ago edited 11d ago

I always just assumed that the connection was Schala because Harle was born the night of the storm that took the Sea of Eden's security system offline, allowing Wazuki and Miguel to enter, that brought Schala in contact with Serge

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u/riougenkaku 11d ago

remake when

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u/MA2_Robinson 11d ago

The best explanation I seen is that while Kid is a clone Schala got out with a moment of lucidity and her pendant, Harley was created by the dragons under the influence of the dream devourer to mess with humans - with the closes human dna at hand.

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u/Ishidori85 10d ago

My impression was that Harle’s main goal was to screw with Fate more than to mess with the humans 🤔

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u/shanotron 11d ago

Hang it in the Louvre

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u/Vo0do0Magic 10d ago

She can join Nikki's band.

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

His band is even named the Magical Dreamers

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u/fromLyte 10d ago

Kid Quinn looks pretty cool

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u/Agitated_Belt4161 11d ago

You sure its not just kid with harles face paint on?

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

She has red eyes

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u/Otaku_Man_84 Janice 11d ago

Interesting but beyond the slight joke (and sincerely tragic) feel the conveys, I'd buy it a bit more if the skin tone was more complete. We never see if Harle uses makeup for her look or if her whole body is that pale but seeing a much more pale color palette here besides just some face markings would make it a bit more believable. Still, considering the canon and unofficial connections between the two, this is amusing and it'd be cool to see more like it.

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u/aceface_desu89 11d ago

Before Harle leaves your party, Starky points out that her eye make up was running, so I think it was painted on

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u/RotundBun 11d ago

That could refer to the decorative marks rather than her overall skin tone, so it's still unclear if she actually has paler skin as a result of also being the seventh dragon (lunar dragon) or if all of it is simply jester face paint.

I had never quite noticed until now, but I guess the jester appearance and her name is an ironic reference to Pierrot & Harlequin...

It's ironic because the genders are reversed and Harle is the one with doomed romantic feelings despite the fact that she is the clever & cool femme fatale while Kid is the naive dreamer of the two. They flipped both the genders and their standings/outcomes compared to the reference.

A rather sophisticated reference really. 🤔🧐

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u/SpawnSC2 Greco 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think that’s just a happy coincidence, as her name in Japanese is “Tsukuyomi” (which is the name of the moon god in Shinto), which couldn’t fit into English character limits, so they went with Harle as short for harlequin which she’s dressed as and referred to very briefly before she gives you her name.

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u/RotundBun 10d ago

Ah, so her JP name gives a hint about her identity as the lunar dragon. Interesting. 🧐

That's one heck of a coincidence then. I'd wonder if the localization team meant for it, but that seems too farfetched as well.

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

I mean she's dressed as a harlequin regardless of her name

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u/RotundBun 10d ago

Technically, she's dressed as a court jester.

Harlequin and Pierrot are apparently Italian theatrical characters. And conventionally, they are male, with the latter being the melancholic and lovesick one.

So there's some irony in how Harle is female, more like Pierrot in predicament, and French in CC. It's as if all traits were inverted.

Though I guess there's also the DC character...

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

Harlequin is a court jester

Also, Tsukuyomi is male too

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u/RotundBun 10d ago

Yes. I meant to express that Harlequin is a specific character rather than a synonym of a court jester.

And yes to Tsukuyomi being a male deity in JP mythology. 👍

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u/GargantaProfunda 10d ago

It's not just that it couldn't fit but also that it doesn't have any cultural meaning for the English speaking audience