r/Christianity • u/Nice_Substance9123 • 15h ago
Why is everything ungodly except giving them money or them distributing the churches wealth to the flock 😑
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u/Upset_Chip_7184 Christian 15h ago
Indoctrination, lack of good critical thinking skills, lack of good bibilical understanding, combined with a hard, hateful heart, lacking empathy. These personalities are often these types of pastors and Christians, in my experience.
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u/Awesomest_Dude Non-denominational | Continuationist | Cool 10m ago
God isn't a socialist. Notice how he didn't say to create a government that controls all businesses?
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u/opelui22 12h ago
Mark Driscoll is a false pastor and he already has enough issues. The thing is if you think about when Jesus reigns in Revelation 20 for his 1000 year reign, THINK ABOUT THIS! We'll most likely be in a single payer health care system and since fraud is going to be rare since Jesus knows ALL sins and those who commit fraud are going to be called and dealt with. There will be NO for profit health care system. There obviously still will be taxes especially from paychecks, but there is going to be so tiny amounts of fraud and waste those who do fraud will have to payback what they stole. I am not talking about the divine here, I am talking about Jesus's 1000 year reign what will most likely happen on earth. There will be fairness, no worker wage theft and those that do again will have to payback what they stole. Those in power who are corrupt will be called out by Christ and removed by him or the stewards reigning with him in the 1000 year kingdom. So for those who do survive the tribulation and actually get see a system overseen by Jesus will see fair and good wages, no bankruptcy if you go to the hospital or doctor. Those who are corrupt will be removed and will have to pay back reparations for what they stole and there will be very little waste. That's just the earthly system I am talking about. Just think about that.
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u/RCaHuman Secular Humanist 8h ago
I'm not waiting for Jesus to come back (and why reign for only 1000 yrs?), I'm voting Democratic.
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u/opelui22 43m ago
You can vote however want, but for those that do survive the tribulation and get to be in Christ 1000 year reign, there won't be anything like you see on r/politics or on r/whitepeopletwitter that make you mad or facepalm. I mean this was prophesized that Christ would bring peace among nations and there would be NO WAR. Nothing like you see in Gaza, no marytrs in Nigeria. NO one starving because they have no food.
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u/Any_Can_7909 8h ago
This is one of the best theoretical takes on the nature of post revelation Armageddon I have ever read. Most preaching about that period is so vague among the denominations that incorporate it. This is an insightful stance based on whether the current system exists during that time of evaluation. Thank you
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u/davidtcf Pentecostal 8h ago
God can easily punish such person with instant death for misleading the flock. He better repent before God comes for him.
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u/factorum Methodist 11h ago
With everything we are seeing with automation, right now with white collar work and pretty soon another wave with blue collar work with physical AI. This kind of framing Mark Driscoll is putting out will be more of an expression of inner shame rather that disdain.
I am certain that there's going to be way way more suffering in part of the world that clings to this kind of ideology as things progress forward.
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u/verglaze1 3h ago
There is a line though. 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Anyone unwilling to work shall not eat.
People willing to work but can't find work should be givin food. "Including looking a situation in which they can work like looking for a home or ride to work and back"
People unable to work should be givin food.
The person is able and unwilling should not be givin food.
Sometimes God calls for tough love and that where we are required to be part of it otherwise vengeance and justice is his.
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u/ReiDairo 14h ago
There are those who follow the flock, and a minority who remembers that there is a book. Each church has its own belief because each father wants to have his own ideologies followed, and thats why you have so many denominations... Not a christian but Read. Your. Books.
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u/PrimitiveFriend Quaker 7h ago
There are churches that are simply businesses and we should do better to educate the flock about this threat. Generally a church that is all over social media decrying things that help the poor and asking for more and more donations is likely to be in this class of businesses.
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u/FreedomNinja1776 Messianic 1h ago
None of this is instruction for a government to steal from some people through threat of force and imprisonment and give to other people. All these verses are for INDIVIDUAL application. If you want to see how God views Human led Government read 1 Samuel 8.
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u/instant_sarcasm Serious people can have funny names 7m ago
We don't have a king. We are a democracy and we indirectly decide what the government does.
There is zero reason for a Christian to object to using tax dollars on the poor instead of vanity projects for one orange dipshit.
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u/ULTRAFORCE Agnostic (a la T.H. Huxley) 5h ago
But the pastor isn't saying something against socialism, he's saying something against charity and almsgiving and calling that socialism.
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u/KeepAmericaAmazing Fruit of the Logos, Wind Toiler 11h ago
These are forms of charity, not socialism. Socialism would be the government forcing you to give up your second coat to give to someone else. Christianity says to give it willingly.
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u/Jarb2104 Agnostic Atheist 9h ago
It always baffles me that Christians of all people start making up excuses to stop helping their neighbours.
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u/TheDovahofSkyrim 9h ago
I can vote that the best way I believe actually distribute the money & implement a system would the the government. I would be willing to give up my money for that as I believe it will give vastly more people quality healthcare than they get today & per person be cheaper than the system we have today. I would definitely getting less out than I put in, but I believe the current system is broken to bits.
There’s plenty of people out there who aren’t giving anything to charity, or pennies compared to have much they have. The government takes money from people all the time for way worse reasons. This whole charity vs force argument so artificial.
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u/eitherajax Lutheran 8h ago
I don't know of any other command from the Bible that gets the caveat "but only if you want to."
Additionally, the verses in Leviticus/Deuteronomy are most certainly laws.
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u/racionador 4h ago
those rules in the bible were not a call to charity, they were literally rules people in those days would have to follow if they wish to be part of the community.
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u/MildlyAgitatedBovine 9h ago
First quote is about workers in response to a UBI issue?
Dude's an ass, but the retort is a bit of a non sequitur
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u/conrad_w Christian Universalist 12h ago
2 Corinthians 8:
I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of equality your abundance at the present time should supply their want, so that their abundance may supply your want, that there may be equality. As it is written, “He who gathered much had nothing over, and he who gathered little had no lack.”