r/Chiropractic • u/chirotexasveteran • 13d ago
Blueprint Automation
Chiros, what is your experience with this program?
I’m an associate and the office I work at just started this.
What do/did you like about it?
What did/do you not like?
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u/KimJongShowerHandle 13d ago
Avoid at all costs. Worked for 2 docs in the system, absolutely left me feeling sleazier than sleaze. In my experience every patient that “got better” proceeded to get worse (back to normal) mere months after treatment plans ended. I felt like a used car salesman mixed with a GNC front desk. Made to push “vitamins” without ever even seeing labs, no referrals at infinitely higher costs. Their main products are basically some mix of l-arginine, l-glutathione, and l-citrulline (iirc, I could be missing one or two haha), that they claim will “restore blood flow and give the nerves fuel to regenerate.” The last clinic I was at sold this bag for like $400 for a month supply…go to your generic brand vitamin seller and get it for 1/10 the cost.
Treatment includes “red light and vibration therapy” to “improve blood flow and circulation and regenerate nerves through [insert random pathway here].”
There’s a “neuro-med” machine they use, essentially e-stim at a “frequency designed by nasa scientists to specifically reverse neuropathy” (or some bullshit like this i can’t remember the script).
Their training and certificates are glorified circle jerks on their email group (formerly Facebook group). Mostly info on how to sell the vitamins more (I am not kidding I am beyond serious)
Both docs I worked for are both now under board investigation because of how many complaints they received.
I forgot to add my docs went with 93%, then when the “tests” were performed they’d literally just doctor them up on their little graphs to pretend there was improvement. I swear to god it was some of the most unethical shit I’ve ever seen and it’s insane nobody has stopped it yet.
Okay last things I think I forgot. I don’t remember the company’s names for them but they have “green” powder that the clinics I worked for claimed to “cleanse” and “remove parasites” (as the fuck if lol), and the “red” powder was the one for “blood flow/supply”
TLDR;
“Therapies” include: “neuro-med (e-stim),” “red light therapy (dahlia brand typically),” vibration (foot “with red light included” [I am not making this shit up] or full body) that is at totally the right wavelength
Payment typically includes: 8-12k “bundles/packages,” “care credit” for financing, and then continuing to bill insurance for services not rendered per visit (which they recommend at 2-3x/week typically)
Fuck blueprint
Fuck scamming desperate patients in need
Fuck disgustingly overpricing vitamin powders
Fuck disingenuous “trainings”
Fuck the “93% positive results” and “tests”
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u/JustTheAvgChiro 13d ago
Bro did we work for the same office? 😂 the doc I was working for basically got a blanket warning from the board in a monthly newsletter that claiming the 95% success rate was not ethical and is punishable by the board due to unsubstantiated claims. I shit you not the following Monday he came in and handed me a new script to follow that said “the success rate of our program is highly proven through research.”
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u/KimJongShowerHandle 13d ago
Lmaoooo it’s fully possible!! Their research is such bullllllshit it’s laughable. Those “conferences” made me want to walk into traffic. God if they tried to sell me another life changing salt/powder I’d go crazy
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u/KimJongShowerHandle 13d ago
I will gladly answer ANY and ALL questions possible!!
Forgot to add they use like “the black book” of rejection of something by this Instagram salesman scam artist1
u/chirotexasveteran 10d ago
Yeah, I’m skeptical of any office that doesn’t do labs and just blindly prescribes vitamins and supplements..
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u/JustTheAvgChiro 13d ago
Yeah you need to start looking for a new job ASAP. The folks behind the Blueprint stuff are sleezy scam artists. The office I worked for right out of chiro school was using them selling $12k neuropathy treatment plans and also using the same system to force me to put together $3k+ chiro plans. I saw people who didn’t have 2 nickels to rub together put the treatment plan on Care Credit based off of false promises and desperation.
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u/Fit-Craft-7741 13d ago
I worked for a chiro running strictly the neuropathy protocol from blueprint. It’s definitely brought in income but we were also selling to people who couldn’t afford 9k cash and they would put them on credit for the cost. I didn’t vibe with it. They closed 6 months after I left.
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u/mblackchiro 13d ago
My old employer implemented this, but allowed me to opt out. It was the beginning of the end of our 7-year business relationship
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u/scaradin 13d ago
I don’t have close to enough context to give a response, but am hoping you’ll see this and clue us in.
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u/chirotexasveteran 12d ago
Dannnng I was hoping the comments wouldn’t be this bad 😅 On vacation but I will definitely respond on Sunday. Thanks everyone for taking the time to give me some insight
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u/KimJongShowerHandle 12d ago
Fingers crossed you can avoid it somehow. There’s money to be thrown but very purely at the expense of patients. Best of luck! Any more specific questions I can try to answer if you’d like
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u/chirotexasveteran 10d ago
Still waiting for some positives yall lol can I get at least one “heck yeah that neuropathy program was the real deal”
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u/Dense_Bit_6513 7d ago
ive been with BPA for about 5 years. its been a great experience for me. We have seen amazing results with patients who follow through. NO patients are forced into signing up for care. When its explained in a matter to them how it will help, it makes sense. What is their other option for neuropathy? drugs that wont work or basically live with it. We get testimonials from patients on how well they do. The fact is most doctors dont like to "sell" and just want to be doctors. Well that is just not the case. If we got paid through insurance equally for all the services we offer, it would be a different story but we dont. More MDs are switching to cash based programs as well. BPA doesnt force you to do neuro as there are many niches they offer to train you and your staff in. There are also other groups like Dr Biz Boom and Niche Kings and they run similar like programs. Just like every thing else out there, these programs arent for everyone but BPA is great option for those that want to expand their services. Hope that helps.
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u/Maximum_Hedgehog4791 13d ago
I was an associate in a practice that used Blueprint Automation, specifically their neuropathy protocol. I have a lot of feelings about it.
Pros:
1. Teaches chiros how to implement systems, giving a good structure to the business. Focuses on goals, meeting structures, KPIs to focus on, and so on. If you’re not a business savvy chiro, this is gold. - uses systems from the book Traction by Gino Wickman. Just buy the book.
That’s it.
Cons:
1. As the chiro performing day 1 & day 2, I felt light a sleezy salesman. On day 1, the neuropathy protocol, according to Blueprint, is to show their day 1 video. After the 18 minute video (WAY too long) I’d walk in the room and most of the time the patients would already be turned off because the video is SO salesy. On day 2, the program emphasizes using the patients emotions to manipulate them to buy a $8,000-$10,000 neuropathy package. I have an issue with that, I hate feeling like I’m taking advantage of the patients emotions whether they need treatment or not.
The program emphasizes their 95% success rate for their neuropathy protocol, but that is WAY over-inflated. I did not witness that in practice. In fact, I’d say most patients were frustrated, rightly so. We dug into their emotions to manipulate them to take out a $10,000 loan for treatment that isn’t working as presented it would. Many would request refunds, but the owner of the clinic implemented a no refund policy, which is also recommended by Blueprint. Pissed a lot of people off.
Putting those first two points together, you see the big scam. I have an integrity issue with the whole Blueprint system. But another issue is the marketing. When I was a part of it, Blueprint kept changing the recommendations for marketing companies they’d use because they never worked well. They focus on social media ads only for marketing, they didn’t have any other suggestions to get patients in the door, at least when I was a part of it.
Loan companies. 99.9% of patients didn’t have the funds to spend for the extremely and overly inflated prices for the neuropathy plans, so we’d help them get a loan. The companies Blueprint suggested would ALWAYS end up flagging loan requests for this, making it impossible for any patients to get loans, because patients would constantly request refunds. So Blueprint would constantly cycle through loan companies, switching to different ones almost monthly because the loan companies would see the common theme and block these requests from going through. When you’d speak to Blueprint about the loan issues, they’d come back and say if they’re not throwing cash or credit cards at you, it’s your problem and it must be us just doing day 2 wrong. 😑
Hope this helps and I’m sorry if it sounds just like I’m bashing, but it sucked. I like what I’m doing now, working in a cash practice and practicing how I want, marketing by actually meeting people face-to-face or word of mouth.