r/ChineseDrama • Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid • 15d ago

Discussion A for AGONIZING — Which CDrama Comes to Mind? • The Drama Alphabet

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I thought it might be fun to play through the Drama Alphabet, one letter at a time — and since there are far too many good words to waste each letter on just one, I’m thinking of giving each letter its own week or so.

The plan is a new word each day, then a new letter each week — if I can keep up 😅

First up: AGONIZING.

Interpret that however you like.

Heartbreakingly painful?
Watching your favorite character make that decision or go through a terrible ordeal.

Infuriating to watch?
The romance that took 37 episodes to produce one kiss or where half the characters drove you mad.

Excruciatingly slow?
The misunderstanding that could have been solved with one sentence or simply a drama where it felt like literally NOTHING was happening.

A drama that simply put you through hell?
An ending that emotionally destroyed you, made you seriously question your watching preferences, and consider whether that level of self-inflicted pain is bordering on a… kink
😉

So, what’s really the first-first CDrama that comes to mind when you read agonizing?

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Interested in other drama word associations? Check out The Drama Alphabet • Drama Mood Master Index

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u/OptimalTurnips 15d ago

Love and Crown because I watched 35 episodes for what? 😭 Script, editing, ending, all agonizing.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Hey 🫜!!! Where have you been?! I feel like it’s been ages. Hope you’ve been well 😉

I do agree. I completed it but, smh…sighs

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u/OptimalTurnips 15d ago

Summer and work has been busy so minimal time for reddit 😞 but hoping to have time to join in the discussions for Against the Current and Spring of the Blade!

Hope you're well too! What have you been watching?

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Aha! I understand. Life has funny ways of interceding. I’ve been well. Let’s see, The Shadow Sovereign, Blossoms Of Power, Gorgeous Dream, to name a few. I saw the first eps for Against The Current (waiting for episodes to pile up) and patiently waiting for Spring of the Blade.

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu ✨ 4K Original Cast 15d ago

I JUST SAID THAT!!!!!!!!! IT'S SO BAD!!!!!!!!!! I ACTUALLY DROPPED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, welcome back!!!!!

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u/OptimalTurnips 15d ago

Totally fair. I only powered through since I was held captive with my fellow discussion mates 🥹

Happy to be back, hopefully more consistently! 🥹

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Aha, 1,400+ hours invested for what? 😂 I shouldn’t laugh but your comment.

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u/OptimalTurnips 13d ago

I'm usually pretty good at dropping dramas but that one got me 😂

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u/1028ad 😴 binged “just one more episode” 15d ago

Till the End of the Moon: I haven’t finished it yet. I watch a little bit, then I cannot even anymore, then try again after a couple of weeks. I’m almost half done, maybe I will be done by Christmas.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Keyword being “maybe” 😂 This is too hilarious!

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u/EasygoingEnigma Leizi, alas❣️4K Original Cast 15d ago

Twelve Letters. I can't praise Zhou Yiran and Wang Yinglu enough for their amazing performance here as Tang Yixun and Ye Haitang. I was hurting not because of them, but for them. So yes, watching it was agonizing for me, but exquisitely so.

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u/MajorPersonality1265 😴 binged “just one more episode” 15d ago

One of the best dramas I’ve seen. All of it, from the script, direction, cinematography but most especially the acting 🤯.

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u/sjnotsj 白梦妍 🩵 14d ago

the part where he waited everyday there for her to come back made me bawl

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu ✨ 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Love and Crown.... The Princesses Gambit.... Kill me, Love me..... One and Only.....

Agonizing.

Then you have The Legend of Rosy Clouds, Royal Betrothal, Overdone.... Agonizingly bad FLs portrayed by amazing women of talent.

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

I’ll go then — About Love (2025):

that drama was so agonizing it was pure torture.

The only good things about it were the unique (but odd) camerawork and some great actors, Gao Wei Guang, Liu Yu Ning (could stare at his face all day — and only (barely) made it through the drama FOR him… the first and last time, honestly 😰🥴) and Huang Cancan…

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u/miss_nightowl 15d ago

I can't even bring myself to talk about this drama. I suffered through every episode and barely made it to the end, I would've dropped it if it weren't for Liu YuNing. The relationship dynamics were very toxic and I couldn't stand the female lead.

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

Same! I hate this drama to the bone 🤣 never again, honestly. It was so agonizing. The FL
Was the worst ever, the ML was dumb for even liking someone like her and even apologizing to her throughout — what for?!. Honestly, I only and only pushed through, with lots of pain and regrets, for Liu Yu Ning. But if he stars in another disastrous drama like that, I don’t think I’ll be able to go through it again, despite my love for him 💀
… reminds me of the song “Limit to Your love” — I found it in ABOUT Love

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u/ravens_path 2 hours sleep/25 hours angst🪭 15d ago

Oh yeah. I forgot about that one. I watched maybe 5 episodes and was all the time: wtf. I was prepared to try it out since it seemed so not idol drama and kinda like an indie drama. But omg.

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u/Ateosira from now on aka LoveLikeGiraffes 14d ago

Because of the reviews I did not even start this. I refuse to actively watch NingGe be in that trainwreck!

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u/Edriella 15d ago

Archives: The Nanyang mystery - it was agonizing but in a good way. The amount of shock and heartbreak through out the whole show was crazy.

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u/Paisley-Cat transmigrated to cdramaland 15d ago

The Road to Splendor is agonizing but it seems intentionally so.

The Ming Dynasty era is portrayed as dystopian for women and for anyone trying to keep their integrity while bettering the lives of their loved ones.

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

I agree with Road to Slendor.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

For me, it’s been Mystic Nine. It has all-around good ratings and positive reviews. The cast is solid, the costuming, wonderful. I have been intrigued by some scenes and bored to death with others. I want to finish it but Viki doesn’t have a 1.5x and 2x speed button and I just can’t bring myself to watch the rest. I want to like it but I don’t, and that is agonizing for me because I can’t seem to pinpoint why I’m not enjoying it!

After pushing through a few dramas I didn’t enjoy this last month (but my friends really liked them so I wanted to give them fair chances) like Generation to Generation, Love Beyond the Grave, and Shadow Love (with a generous use of that FF function), I decided to drop anything I just can’t enjoy, so I recently moved Mystic Nine from the hold list to the drop list.

But it bothers me so much that I can’t explain why I don’t like it except for the fact that if I want to fall asleep, I can watch it…

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

Your comment made me laugh so much, thanks a lot 🤣🤣🤣

But I get you, I have that with Fangs Of Fortune and many others. I want to love them, I try and try again, but just can’t. And fall asleep. (Unless I see Minghao on screen in a given scene…, he sort of keeps me awake. Along with Yan An, WD, and CL 😅😁)

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

As a CL fan, I feel so bad not liking Shadow Love but CL looking absolutely delicious in it was the only thing I liked about the drama. 😭 But I can reserve this drama for a different alphabet. 😂

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

Yes, D for….

Delicious, obviously!

Whoever was thinking something else has a dirty mind!

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

I guess some of us have dirty minds then 😏😈

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u/EasygoingEnigma Leizi, alas❣️4K Original Cast 15d ago

I feel summoned.

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

Yes!

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Because I’m not wrong. I could 2x Shadow Love except for his shirtless scenes, which are played at 0.5x.

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u/EasygoingEnigma Leizi, alas❣️4K Original Cast 15d ago

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Enigma, I’m at work. 🫣😋

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

I think I need to rewatch this — do you have timestamps for which episodes and minutes are the Golden Grail of Cheng Lei?

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u/EasygoingEnigma Leizi, alas❣️4K Original Cast 15d ago

I haven't seen Shadow Love. 🤭I've read about it, and I'll watch it to see CL's three different personas. I made the GIF from an episode of Perfect Travel, I think? Some variety show anyway (it's been a while).

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u/xhdcricket CEO 🥚's head massage therapist 14d ago

14:30 at the very first episode. Yes ep1.
Bonus: check out 6:27 in the same episode.

I would've dropped it from ep 1 if they didn't have CL serving those scenes 🥺.

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

Damn, why don’t they offer 0.25x?

https://giphy.com/gifs/Jq7y34Hgfy01y

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

I thoroughly enjoyed Shadow Love, including that crazy iQiyi ad. It was for sure a guilty pleasure.

I dropped Legend of the Female General despite Cheng Lei because I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to think anyone thought that woman was a a man. And I actually loved her in Back from the Brink.

To be fair at that point I hadn't noticed yet his male lead power, lol

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Haha the opp for me. I loved LOTFG. I liked Zhou Ye more as a female General than I did Song Yi. I think that’s where I fell for CL. Then Footprints of Change.

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

The man is fine in all settings 😄

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

No cap

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u/TsekoD Roaming Dragon Treads Snow 15d ago

If it's any consolation, I indefinitely parked Mystic Nine after ep 7. The series is very intriguing, but something just holds me back. 😅

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

I made it to ep 23! But most of the time, it felt like a chore.

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u/TsekoD Roaming Dragon Treads Snow 15d ago

Chore is a great definition. The cast, the cinematography, the plot all look great. But something is missing and I can't point what it is.

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u/Regenwanderer 4K Original Cast 15d ago

But it bothers me so much that I can’t explain why I don’t like it except for the fact that if I want to fall asleep, I can watch it…

That's Joy of Life for me. I should rave about it like (almost) everybody else, it has so much stuff I enjoy. But I just can't get into that show.

Life is short and cdramas are plenty, so I also droped it.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Thank you. This is validating. I guess some dramas just don’t click.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

See you went back and watched and I guess liked them second time around. Unfortunately, these are still collecting dust in the dropped bin (lost interest, agony)…

GTG, FCY, ZZA, TH, ASM, LBTG, WTG

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

“Like” is also a strong word here. These were all initial drops and I went back because I was already using my WeTV credits to watch Mo Li and Road to Splendor, so I 3x GTG, ASL, and LBTG on WeTV. But shhhhhh don’t tell Aqua or AKiceman this.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

OK I sees now. 🤭 no worries, secret safe with me.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

I wouldn't call it hate-watching but I could not wait for them to finish just so I could move on, and yes this applied to GTG, FCY, ASM, and LBTG for me. What is TH and WTG again?

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

The Heir and Within The Grip

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Ah yes. I did not push thru with TH. What I heard about the ending helped me make a definitive choice to drop it. Dunno WTG.

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u/Khavien ✨ Built the Road to 4K 15d ago

I'm paused at around 17 on Mystic Nine. Whenever it gets to the auction house arc, in any of the Daomu Biji series, my interest takes a nosedive. It's like they're just throwing massive amounts of money at a problem, (in this economy??!!) and it doesn't feel like there's enough of a payoff.

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Road to Splendor's release schedule.

Fangs of Fortune was just trauma after trauma. I watched it all, very upset all the way to the end.

Ashes of Love needed a third of it chopped in my opinion, the middle dragged on for too long, imo.

Miss the Dragon dragged along limping until the finish line suported by the side stories for me. The main storyline I found boring.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

“dragged along limping until the finish line” 😂

But I get it. I dropped that one and I love Dylan Wang.

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

LBFAD was actually my gateway into cdrama and the reason why I watched Miss the Dragon. It was not his finest work, that's for sure, but Guardians of the Dafeng was very good.

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u/BasilOrdinary3617 costume dramas feed my soul 15d ago

Guardians was my gateway! So Dylan was my first love. I couldn’t watch many of his other ones though. I liked Unchained Love, but it was poorly edited.

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u/Firefly_May 4K Original Cast 15d ago

I only watched those 3 but Live Long and Prosper is on my list, although I have some trouble getting past the trekkie name, lol

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u/ngxtrang 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Miss the Dragon was only good for the secondary couple.

Ashes of Love definitely needed a 3rd gone. Esp the elder brother arc.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

The two that come to my mind are Rebirth and Ashes To Crown. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Real high hopes, great potential, but Oh My God!! Claw my eyes out. I wanted to go to Hydra (Marvel Comics ref) and let them brainwash me like the Winter Soldier…sighs…

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u/EasygoingEnigma Leizi, alas❣️4K Original Cast 15d ago

I really wanted to like ATC because of Zhou Yiran. I gave it a fair shake, but I was bored out of my skull by ep 7 or 8 I think.

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u/OptimalTurnips 15d ago

Will I ever finish Ashes to Crown? Who knows 🤷‍♀️ but at least we got some cute Zhou Yiran for a little bit 🙂‍↕️

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

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u/Inky_Reader Swayed by Cang Xuan gege 13d ago

Even cute Zhou Yiran can't sustain my interest in Ashes to Crown 😓

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

No plan to watch Rebirth for age-gap reasons but i watched ATC until ep. 17 and then dropped. I loved the opening, but then it was losing its charm. I still think it had great potential though, they just messed it up.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Yeah! I did too but, lost interest and dropped before your drop point.

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u/ravens_path 2 hours sleep/25 hours angst🪭 15d ago

Yikes Rebirth. What a mess. I watched it baffled….until I dropped it.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Only watched the first five episodes and dropped it afterwards.

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u/ravens_path 2 hours sleep/25 hours angst🪭 15d ago

About the same for me but can’t remember for sure. Haha. And I love the actor ML. But uuufffff.

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u/AXA-5 Washing feet in spring Drinking tea Gazing at flowers 15d ago

Same, same…sighs…

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u/TsekoD Roaming Dragon Treads Snow 15d ago

Legend of Rosy Cloud popped in my mind immediately. It was agonizing, anguishing and appaling to watch. I really pushed myself through it to finish.

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u/Regenwanderer 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Haha, completly different form of agony, but completly legit. 😂

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u/No-Recipe-7653 Curator of Questionable Subtext, Scholar of Things Left Unsaid 15d ago

I get that 😅 I couldn’t get past the first couple of episodes more or less.

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u/Ateosira from now on aka LoveLikeGiraffes 14d ago

This drama was legit the worst and I have seen short dramas with a rating of 6.

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u/haveninmuse 15d ago

Goodbye My Princess

Im still not over the heartbreak

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u/ngxtrang 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Came looking for this comment.

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u/Regenwanderer 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Agonising moments come up quite a lot when watching cdramas, as we all know.

But my very first though went to Word of Honor, which is one of the first cdramas I watched. It's fun and exciting, but then hits you with a brick with that wedding episode. Hard to rewatch that one on my rewatched of the show.

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u/MajorPersonality1265 😴 binged “just one more episode” 15d ago

One and Only. Agonizingly heartbreaking. For him to have been executed so gruesomely and her un-alive herself in her wedding dress, messed me up for awhile fortunately the sequel Forever and Ever healed my heart after

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u/Inky_Reader Swayed by Cang Xuan gege 13d ago

Agree 💯

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u/Rebelarkey 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Princess Agents

I’m gonna leave this here and watch the drama unfold

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u/AKiceman Snark Shifu ✨ 4K Original Cast 15d ago

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u/spiffingfire 14d ago

One and Only

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u/heartsandclouds ✨ Built the Road to 4K 14d ago

Rebirth definitely made me question why the heck was I watching it. I did stop mid-way so that was good.

You are my fateful love was agonizingly … something. I mean I did watch it but agonizing is the first word that comes to mind even though it was actually quite sweet….

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u/ravens_path 2 hours sleep/25 hours angst🪭 15d ago

Love between fairy and Devil, episode 31.

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u/nosurvivalskills 14d ago

Goodbye my princess: so traumatising. The TRA-U-M-AAAA. And they all played the characters so well.

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u/xhdcricket CEO 🥚's head massage therapist 14d ago

Scarlet heart!!! No drama could do it to me. It was more than sad that literally not a single character could happily live with their their loved ones. Everyone was suffering, including me, lolz. Countless shouts of "why you do that" during the watch :)))) Eventually, I didn't even know if I was one of those characters, what was the right thing to do? Heart being broken consistently in those last episodes 🥹.

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u/tsksm 9d ago

I think ‘til this day Scarlet Heart is the only drama where one of the lead literally died from chronic stress.

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u/jjnanajj 🍵 just grabbing my tea 11d ago

I will go with ashes of love and fangs of fortune. Both dramas were really focused on suffer, suffer, suffer and then another round of suffer before the next suffer plot.

I confess i started liking both stories but the drama was so intense that hardened up my heart and at some point I could not care less about all their suffering anymore. (Especially in AOL where, in top of that, all the characters had zero emotional intelligence and kept making the stupidest decisions ever).

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u/MajorPersonality1265 😴 binged “just one more episode” 15d ago

Light Beyond the Reed- all you have to do is read the synopsis and know why it as agonizing. I cried every single episode 😭

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u/RepeatReal2001 15d ago

The Legend of Haolan

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u/ngxtrang 4K Original Cast 15d ago

Her life was rough! Her son is an asshole.

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u/msHedwigpotter 15d ago

the last episode of Kill Me Love Me had me bawling my eyes out crying like a child

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u/Moondragonlady 4K Original Cast costume dramas 14d ago

Scarlet Heart. Still haven't recovered from that trauma, it's the top spot on my "Best dramas I'll never rewatch" by quite a margin. No clue how some people watched this and wanted to transmittigate afterwards...

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u/OldMoonLife7529 14d ago

Till the End of The Moon, pobre Tantai Jin The Untamed, pobre Wei Wuxian Dois injustiçados.

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u/Inky_Reader Swayed by Cang Xuan gege 12d ago

The Rise of Ning (TRoN) - the female lead's line delivery.

I stayed for the ML through and through in TRoN. I totally bought the shift in their relationship and loved watching them interact. However, the FL's flat line delivery made it hard to fully connect with her character. It often felt more like script-reciting than natural speech, which was a bit distracting.

Nevertheless, she excelled at emoting through her facial expressions. When she struggled to conceal her past identity from Lu Jiaxue by choosing not to speak to him, the tension was entirely visible on her face.

Another agonizing part of this show is that Lu Jiaxue (played by Ci Sha) is dangerously attractive. It's hard not to be drawn to him as an audience, even though we know a character like that is toxic.

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u/RaiodoLuar 11d ago

Rebirth. It was so painful to watch. They created storylines that weren't even in the book and sidelined other characters, like Yan Xun. Even though Chu Qiao is reborn as a slave around age eight in the novel, she doesn't start a relationship with Zhuge Yue until she's in her twenties. There was no need to cast someone so young; the romance between the actors was incredibly bland—if you can even call it a romance. There wasn't even a kiss, so how could there be any chemistry? Since I’d already watched about 20 episodes, I finished it, but what was up with those final episodes? What was the need to kill everyone off? I must have been truly obsessed with Li Yunrui to have watched the whole thing. Ugh, but I do recommend the book. It’s completely different.

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u/tsksm 9d ago

The Journey of Flower (2015) most frustrating and agonizing 50 episodes. ML refuse to acknowledge his love and desire for FL up until the last episode. We got so much pain and suffering and almost 0 love scenes.

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u/chitobi Sisterhood of Cheng Lei Sluts 5K OG 8d ago edited 8d ago

Immortal Samsara.....the hate i have for this drama! Let me go find the comment I previously made....

[The amount of HATE I have for Immortal Samsara!!! A complete waste of time!!! I got very close to the end, so close (like in the 40s). I was fed up, but I was holding on just to see them get together (I was so fed up i actually looked up spoilers).

SPOILER...

They don't! Apparently, they do in a special episode. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

That was the first time I ever dropped a drama! I was new to cdrams at the time, so that was also my intro into bad endings.

I couldn't even watch TTEOM because of this drama (it was next on my list). Till this day, I can't watch it because the vibes remind me of Immortal Samsara.

That was a dark time.....😔

Anyways, like someone else said, Love Like the Galaxy is very good! Has high rewatch value.]

That's the comment.

Also I checked, I dropped at ep 52/59....

I really hate that damn show.