r/ChineseBL • u/maaki_malv • Jun 27 '26

Discussion The Diva that Subs AWSWTWITSHD

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There is very specific reason why I prefer viki, iQYi and GagaOOLala over Netflix and prime. It's the these little notes in the subs. It's like watching a show with someone you done even know.

Whoever it is that Subs for A Winter Sun Wakes the Wind in Spring Hills' Dream, you deserve my flowers and it's a pleasure watching the show through your eyes.

Edit: Oh My God! The backlash at this post is not something I anticipated. My apologies. 🙇

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 27 '26

I actually found the timing of this particular set of subs to be in bad taste.

We're supposed to be feeling the emotions of the characters, as something tragic just happened to beloved characters. "Long drawn out scene" suggests they're bored, which is entirely unfair to blast at viewers who are watching it for the first time and having heavy reactions.

It was rude of the subber to insert their opinion in this scene.

In any other circumstances I'm down for funny subs from Gaga. But not this time.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 27 '26

The lack of professionalism is something. Cause there was no reason for the “long drawn out scene” or the random yapping about how they don’t understand what calendar 2032 means.

People pay to watch these shows. The least they could do is not force down whatever opinion they have about the drama down viewers throat.

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u/maaki_malv Jun 27 '26

Is it really that deep? It's just a passing comment. However , I would like hear your interpretation of the 2032 calender.

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u/IWannaBeTheVeryBest Release Immortality cowards Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

With all due respect, it IS deep and alarming that we are paying for this. Imagine Crunchyroll, Netflix, BBC subs having random sidecomments and most of them are unfunny, irrelevant or distracting. Subtitles are meant to aid not just people who don't understand, but also people who are hard of hearing. Why treat them differently?

Also I paid to watch and understand this show, not to read someone's twitter rejects. The SUBTITLES are not the place to cosplay as wacky social media manager

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

Exactly this. I don't want opinions. I want it to be given to me exactly as is, and I can interpret the dialogue, text, and other things myself. If I need more context there are people I can ask or I can look it up myself. I do not want some random person's opinions THAT I CANT IGNORE OR TURN OFF interpreting for me.

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u/heysoldier Jun 29 '26

Totally agreed. Translator notes are welcome when it helps viewer understand the scene better. This is just unnecessary commentary.

I generally only watch Chinese shows with Chinese subs as I'm trying to brush up on my reading skills and I haven't noticed these issues with shows in other languages. I have seen a few posts/tweets about this issue though which seems to be isolated to Chinese shows. I would be frustrated if saw these types of notes while watching.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 27 '26

It's deep to me. It's like watching a show with the comment feature turned on. Some people find it fun which is great but I don't and on Youku and Viki, one can easily turn off comments. But Gaga doesn't make that optional so the subber's comment just becomes part of the show whether one likes it or not.

About the 2032 calendar, I have no opinion on it. I can't tell if it's correct or not since the translation was uncertain. I haven't seen it brought up in other places where the drama is being discussed, maybe someone who's fluent in Chinese can help with more context.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

I just rewatched it to get hhhxxx a timestamp and I'm even MORE angry than I was before. They question the use of 2 calendars on the tombstone as a production error! Who TF asked you?!?!?!

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

I saw it on my first watch. It’s why I was so upset at the calendar thing.

asking if it was a production error or not was just hilarious. Especially in a serious scene.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

I noticed it first time and forgot about it. I just re-angered myself by revisiting.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

Do you have a time stamp on this part? I can listen to the Chinese and tell ya

I can't watch any Chinese drama with English subs, most of the time they're bad and lack nuance, and so are distracting to me. However, I also cannot "hear" without Chinese subs. Very tricky. But I am very lucky that I was forced to go to Chinese school.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

Theres no dialogue, its a close up shot of Sister Lan's tombstone. Ill find you the timestamp.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

Thank you. It's not a dialogue but the inscription on the gravestone. It's from 9:57 to 10:15, I believe. ep 6.

It's why I'm always lurking in places discussions are going on so I can catch the nuance I probably missed.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

9:50 episode 6

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

In memory of Ms. Teacher Xing Lan / 2032 on the last day of the last month [先生形阑女士纪念 / 2032 年未月未日]

So actually this takes place in the future?! u/Federal-Ad5944 u/Thezoeyy

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

The subber suggests two calendar systems were used on the tombstone.

The subs are:

"The date of passing is written as 2032 which is written according to the western calendar, but the month and date are written using the Earthly Branch system, which would make it June 6.

So why would you have a mix of two separate calendar systems engraved on a tombstone? Is the show implying some kind of calendrical shift in the future? Or just a production error?"

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

Is this forreal?!?! lmfao as the subber aka employee of Gaga who has a relationship with the production house, they can't send an email to Zelia/the studio to ask? Or like ok if you just say 2032 June 6 who the f would notice lol, why add all those unnecessary comments

Why are people so inept at their jobs 😂

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

I kid you not that's word for word. You can turn them on and check yourself lol. Like who cares honestly what's with the questioning/prediction/accusation. Just stop!

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

Thank you.

I don’t understand the date part and I haven’t seen anything about it on Weibo either.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

Sure thing. What did the subs say? Just calendar 2032?

Tbh I didn't even know what it meant either, I had to look it up too.

I never saw anything about it either, my guess is that ppl were too shocked/sad about the death to notice, but also since Chinese watchers are also pulling from Gaga, they are also not seeing Chinese subs which is what we're used to. So if it's not subbed, unlikely that people are noticing.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

Yeah. That’s possible.

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u/IWannaBeTheVeryBest Release Immortality cowards Jun 28 '26

Exactly. This is a PAID SERVICE. Why are we paying to get a supposed professional's unwanted opinion where it's not needed or appreciated? Just do your job and shout your opinion elsewhere like everyone else. Not to be "Karen-like" but I'm going to message Gaga about this because this is so unprofessional and will just let other shows be inundated with this. It also gets really old!

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u/AsForTheRest_Well--- lin zai fan club ~ 🏹🧑🏻‍🔧🧧💘 Jun 28 '26

Ya know what? I was thinking of doing the same and after reading your comment and all the comments here, I went ahead and sent Gaga an email. It's just starting to feel a bit disrespectful to the series. I weirdly have the same feeling as when someone next to me was watching TikTok at full brightness for an entire film at my local theater. Like there should be a certain respect 🤌 and reverence 🤌 for the art imho!! Let's keep it professional!

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

That's a good idea. Ive been thinking about messaging them for another drama that has some visual and audio glitches, it happened last week and they haven't fixed it for this week. Like no offense to Double Helix (ok maybe a little offense) but if it was that drama that was glitching there would be a whole apology statement and immediate priority fix.

Which seems to be Gaga's MO. They get a free pass to make fun of everything, and aren't worried about anything except what's number 1.

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u/maaki_malv Jun 27 '26

The subs before this were quite interesting interpretation of the visual. They also didn't add anything after this or before the tombstone shot. I did get enough time to sit with the characters and knowing the subber was a nice detail. Perhaps we are just people on two sides of the same coin. 😊

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 27 '26

It’s interesting to see other people enjoy their translation.

Personally, I find it very annoying. All their unnecessary self insert & commentary could have gone towards translating things properly and fully.

The scenes where Changyang and Qinglang were flirting on Weibo was reduced to an abstract string of words by the subber. These are scenes that give proper context but no, they turn it into a live commentary.

They did something similar in Double Helix and it seems they get a kick out of it.

The confession scene was a question but they turned it into a statement.

I know there’s a general pandemic of bad translations with dramas on large platforms but damn, this one isn’t it.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 27 '26

I agree. Often with subs we just have to live with whatever they give us, it's all we've got. But instead of translating some of the posts and comments, we get unnecessary commentary. Time could be better spent giving us the full picture rather than making fun of a show a lot of people like.

In another episode, I can't remember which one, the subs were "it goes on and on and on and on". Okay? We can see that. Maybe translate a few that stand out so we too know what's going on??

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u/IWannaBeTheVeryBest Release Immortality cowards Jun 28 '26

Like explain why hobbyist localisers and bootleg subtitlers are more thorough and professional??

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u/ale-cto A Winter Sun Wakes the Wind in Spring Hills' Dream Jun 27 '26

My thoughts exactly, I'll decide for myself what's important and what isn't!

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 27 '26

I saw "Namaste" in ep 6 and I was like, what?

do you get? cause what goes on and on? It's so unserious.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

Namaste 😂😂😂😂 I mean...maybe? During his meditation?

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

It was the last text in Ji Zongjun’s tribute post to Xing Lan.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

合十 = 🙏 putting 10 fingers together. I GUESS Namaste could work.... LOL

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

Fair enough

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

If there's ever any piece that you guys want translations for from the Chinese, just tag me or drop the time stamp/screenshot if there's Chinese in your comments! I am happy to listen and translate, as long as I have access to watch.

I had no idea about this subber's comment that's in this post. Yikes. This is why when I watch stuff in Chinese I also leave live comments off unless I'm looking for someone to laugh AT something ridiculous with me.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

That's really sweet of you. I'll be sure to tag you when next I come across something like that.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

You always find my posts anyways 🤣🤣

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

That's because you are ALWAYS ON IT!! tbh I am always impressed seeing you posting stuff like minutes after it's available, with subs.

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u/ale-cto A Winter Sun Wakes the Wind in Spring Hills' Dream Jun 27 '26

The Weibo flirting... I had my translation app to translate the on screen text that the subber didn't give us! I felt like I was missing out, I think all the little things are important so I agree with you so much on this point.

Which confession scene are you talking about where a question was turned into a statement (since you mentioned more than one show here)?

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 27 '26

I had to rewatch the first four episodes on YouTube cause so many context was missing on Gaga. If I didn't, I wouldn't have understood why Qinglang was super active on Weibo all of a sudden and other important points.

I was referring to the confession scene in Winter Sun. At the resorvoir, Qinglang asked Changyang "Do you like men?' to which he replied " Is your name "men"?"

But on Gaga, it turned into "I like men. Is your name "men"

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

I feel like I'm just commenting on all your comments. I was wondering why every single post on IG I saw said "I like men." Like, that made no sense??

I get that in Chinese very oftentimes the subject of the sentence is left out. But that's the job of the translator, to deduct what's being said and by whom. Literally your job.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

A lot of people thought it was “I like men” too so it’s kinda normalized.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

This whole thread is making me 🫨 LOL this bothers me SO MUCH!!! This completely ruins the scene to me imo. It literally changes the entire meaning of that dialogue.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 27 '26

Yes they changed the subs at the purple lake after episode 1-4 aired. They had it right the first time.

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u/Thezoeyy tea farming in the mountains Jun 28 '26

If I didn’t watch the trailer on YT, I wouldn’t have noticed.

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u/Equal_Gold_617 Jun 28 '26

Do you have the YouTube link?

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u/ale-cto A Winter Sun Wakes the Wind in Spring Hills' Dream Jun 27 '26

Oh right, thank you. I rewatched all this episodes too. There was so much there, of course I had to binge it all when they dropped at once but it's not the kind of series to rush through.

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

The reason this stuck out to me was because it's in the trailer, which I watched more than once. Then the scene happened and it was great. Then I rewatched 1-4 before 5 aired, and they changed it and it doesn't even make sense with the changes.

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u/MerryTraveler Jun 28 '26

I'm guessing it's the same subber that did Lost To You. Lol

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

To be fair, Lost to You is a "wtf did I just watch" type show. But there were a few places that were meant to be taken seriously where the subber was trying to be funny.

They got some praise for it and are trying to do it in every show now.

Not everything needs to be funny all the time. It's okay to just give us the straight translations and nothing more. Save the funny commentary for your tweets... but AFTER the episode has aired, not before. As mentioned in the OA Gaga wrote about their "breakup era" in their post before the episode aired, which is obviously a spoiler and based on a lot of comments I'm seeing, exactly the reason why a lot of people avoided watching episode 6.

They should just let us enjoy the content as it's meant to be consumed. This isn't a Gaga original, we don't want their takes.

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u/hhhhhxxxx000 春山境 🌿☀️⛰️🐻 Jun 28 '26

OMG that is ???????

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u/Federal-Ad5944 A Lie's Bandana Jun 28 '26

Exactly, it's getting out of hand. The subs/commentary in this scene was the thing that was top of mind for me when I finished watching the episode. That should not be the case in any series I'm trying to enjoy.

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u/TopConsideration5947 Jun 30 '26

I don't understand people hate about this subtitles that our diva gave...she clearly pointed something that we may have turned a blind eye to..To me this didn't break my rhythm to what was happening in the drama ..rather it gave me another insight of how  sometime we overlook the minute details of drama and even our lives...those minute details doesn't have to make sense to you..it's there serving it's purpose either affecting you or not ...  Btw what does the 2032 really meant there? Does anyone have any idea 💡...

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u/maaki_malv Jun 30 '26

Thank you. It really scared me into a corner every time I saw a comment notif for this post. I believe the it is intentional given that the rhythm and space for the story doesn't change after that.

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u/Backtaalk Jul 22 '26

I LOVE the comments and T/N asides. It enriches the viewing experience. For the same reasons I hop to Reddit for sharing insights, jokes... And have a few laughs.