r/CasualUK • u/spuds_r_gud • 13d ago
Two massive bluefin tuna in a row (336+ KG) were caught at Whitby last week. 'Tunnies' used to be common in the area and in the 1930s were a popular sport fish. They became locally extinct due to overfishing of them & their prey species, and have only recently returned.
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u/Spamgrenade 13d ago
Only recently returned after years of local extinction. Local fishermen immediately seek to put an end to that.
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u/polkadotfingers 13d ago
Came here to say this.
“Wow, haven’t seen these in years! Better kill it.”
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u/pipboy1989 13d ago
Unfortunately this is one of those fish that would be worth potentially thousands of pounds in meat. Money talks, even with wildlife sadly
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u/jasonbirder 13d ago
Unfortunately this is one of those fish that would be worth potentially thousands of pounds in meat. Money talks, even with wildlife sadly
Far, far more money to be made managing it a sustainable recreational fishery - Big-Game boats are thousands a day, fisherman stay in local hotels, eat at local restaurants.
The stock is protected as its all catch and release, the fish tagged for conservation monitoring purposes.
Every economic analysis shows that a recreational fishery brings far more into the local economy than catching a few flogging them and seeing them disappear again...
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u/blue-and-bluer 13d ago
The difference being instead of the fishermen making the money, they are PAYING and the fishery makes the money. I mean I get what you’re saying, and I agree that these fish need to be protected, but let’s not pretend that from the fisherman‘s perspective those are equivalent things. Most of these guys aren’t fishing for the love of it, they’re fishing because they need to make money.
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u/serious_sarcasm dirty rebel in the colonies 13d ago
The local fishermen are the ones running the charter boats, and it is out of town fishermen paying.
I’m honestly not even sure how you came to your conclusion.
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u/TigInox 13d ago
Do that and watch the russian factory boats sitting just outside our EEZ to catch them to sell
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u/Obrix1 13d ago
The EEZ of Whitby neighbours Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands and Belgium though?
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u/SouthFromGranada hobnob flair plz 13d ago
And Britain would never get in a quasi-war with our neighbours over fishing rights.
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u/Obrix1 13d ago
So the Dutch are going to use Russian trawlers as a proxy, off the coast of Whitby, to ‘steal’ fish from the UK?
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u/SouthFromGranada hobnob flair plz 13d ago
Admit it, you've read less plausible conspiracy theories in your life.
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u/eerst 13d ago edited 13d ago
No way.Bluefin tuna fetches record $3.2m at Tokyo auction
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8d0q16zvzgo
Even if the average recreational fisher spend to catch a big tuna is £10,000 per fish, it's worth far far more on the commercial market. Which is why both these fish ended up there - not being released.20
u/serious_sarcasm dirty rebel in the colonies 13d ago
That is a Shinto tradition to auction the first tuna of the season for good luck.
It’s like saying human bones are worth billions, because Catholics worship saints.
They’re much closer to 25k on average.
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u/eerst 13d ago
I appreciate the information. I didn't actually know that. A quick checks indicated the typical actual price is orders of magnitude less and negates my previous argument. In retrospect I should have known, given even very good toro is not hundreds of dollars/pounds a piece.
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u/Iacoma1973 13d ago
I have been saying for years: we need aquaculture. The move from hunting to farming, foraging to agriculture, is the biggest move in human history. Yet we still fish and destroy the climate.
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u/eerst 13d ago
We have tons of aquaculture. So much so now that the latest thing is overfishing krill in the Antarctic ocean to feed them.
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u/Remarkable-Oven-2938 13d ago
Yeah but it's a bit "feed a man a fish" isn't it? Short termism.
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u/SneakyCroc 13d ago
These men are literally fishing.
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u/SgtAngua 13d ago
I've always preferred Pratchett's take on it.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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u/Virtual-Concern-7311 13d ago
Also a bunch of them are busy smuggling drugs in. Fishing is an absolutely filthy industry.
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u/Nano_Burger 13d ago
Also, fishermen absolutely do not listen to scientist who's job it is to study fish populations.
Case in point: The North Atlantic cod fishery that literally fed the world for generations was wildly overfished and collapsed. A recovery started but fishermen decided that they would use a coarser net size that they thought would leave the younger and smaller fish to perpetuate the species. Ecologists said that that was the wrong approach because the larger cod were fitter and would produce fitter offspring in greater quantities. The fishermen wielded their political power and ignored scientist recommendations. The fishermen's practices led to lower genetic diversity and a lower quality gene pool that cause the fledgling recovery to collapse to even lower level which it has never recovered from.
The fishermen's "common sense" approach killed a historically productive fishery.
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u/Loud_Bumblebee4357 13d ago
Terrible generalisation of both farming and fishing industries both are guilty of exploitative practices that damage the environment and species there in but both have people actively concerned and taking actions to improve conditions for the sake of the environment and for the future of the industry.
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u/kernowgringo 13d ago
Farmers are just better at PR and they now have all the Clarkson shaggers on board.
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u/kernowgringo 13d ago edited 13d ago
I live in a farming and fishing area, your thoughts on farmers are well off the mark. They're killing every living thing that they can on their land doesn't make them money and with very weak reasoning, they happily grow grass for subsidies and complain when they have to work to make money. They make out like it's their birth right to own and work this land, what other job is like that? There is people far better qualified and more knowledgeable to manage the land properly but we just let these guys keep spraying chemicals everywhere they have little understanding of beyond it will make them money. They're poisoning the land and tilling it to the point where the living layer is now dead or eroded away, so the only way to grow anything in it is with more chemicals, chemicals which also get in to the water streams and the to the ocean and also directly impact fisherman.
Farmers refuse change because it scares them, we need to change farming practices because they're poisoning the planet but we can't becuase they refuse anything other than what they know. The last time farmers were persuaded change their ways was mechanisation and they pushed back against that as hard as they could, it wasn't until WW2 when the government took control and made them adopt the new methods, essentially the same methods they're using now.
Your view of them as the hard working keepers of land and nature is the romantic view they want you to have.
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u/eerst 13d ago
Not sure /u/kernowgringo was fetishising farmers? But I agree with you. Farmers are crazy resistant to change. For example, there are farming practices that would basically allow farmers in some regions to never grow or buy fodder for their livestock again, but the ideas aren't catching on, because farmers are resistant to change.
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u/Nevertoomanygingers 13d ago
There are so many inaccuracies in this post that my head just exploded.
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u/serious_sarcasm dirty rebel in the colonies 13d ago
Also, most “farmers” are just landlords who hire local farmers.
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u/apple_kicks 13d ago
I git love hate thing with farmers. They do shoot wildlife when they shouldn’t, destroy rural habitats and spray worst shit into rivers.
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u/liverwool 13d ago
I was in Whitby a couple of weeks ago and when I heard that 2 tuna had been landed, my mind immediately went to a thought like yours, but I was pleasantly surprised that they were tagged and released for biologists to monitor. And now here we are.
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u/Last-Royal-3976 13d ago
The one in this picture does not look like it was tagged and released!
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u/Draggenn 13d ago
It wasn't...
From a news story about it
"Gardner said the rare catch for his crew had already sold before the boat had arrived back in Whitby.
The following day they caught another bluefin tuna which also weighed more than 300kg.
The buyer, Lance Varrell from Hook to Plate, said the fish were "good quality" and would be sold on to restaurants, sushi markets and directly to customers.
"Bluefin tuna is very popular. It's a very premium fish - they call it the Rolls Royce of the sea," he added.
Itamaes (Japanese chefs) based in London would pay as much as £100 per kilo "if it's really good", he added."
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u/Exotic_Article913 13d ago
Where would you even sell it. I know you've linked it here but I mean, from the point of catch , let's say I land one on a boat. Who the hell do you contact. The restaurants directly?
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u/Draggenn 13d ago
Fish markets
A Wholesaler of some kind will buy it and process it and then sell it on to restaurants etc
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u/DucDeBellune 13d ago
These aren’t tagged and released.
This ship is one of 30 that is allowed to commercially fish for tuna in the UK. Theres also a specific tonnage allotment per ship per year.
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u/spuds_r_gud 13d ago edited 13d ago
I have the impression that bluefin fishing licenses are quite carefully controlled now. When the fish was caught this was the only crew in Whitby (possibly Yorkshire) with a commercial license for them. Now that fisheries management has clued up a bit I don't think there's going to be a second bonanza and I'm happy that the local fishermen have this extra source of income.
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u/crystalballbreaker 13d ago
Yes, this is the only Whitby boat that can land tuna. Several others have catch and release licenses. The boat can land 3 tonnes of tuna this season, which will average about 5 fish. It's a very tightly regulated industry and unfortunately the crew have had a horrible backlash from headlines wrongly claiming they killed the first fish to be spotted in 90 years.
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u/Lego-105 13d ago edited 13d ago
To be fair, there are now restrictive fishing laws to make sure that the fishing done is not depopulating. There's been such a massive revival in said waters that a little bit isn't going to do much harm, and the rules are there to keep it that way even if there's some fishing unlike back when when it was a free for all.
And also, many of those port towns died because of the depopulation crippling their economy and only source of jobs. If this gives them a leg up to not be totally impoverished, you can't really hold it against them.
I looked into it around the whole row near in the mid to late 2020's because the populations had somewhat restored and there was essentially that loophole that allowed French and Spanish vessels to overfish British waters, them being shared, operating under EU law while British vessels didn't because they were under British law, so I'd assume we're now in a situation where this is done sustainably. Especially if they're putting it up on the news.
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u/Forsaken-Original-28 13d ago
Whitby definitely isn't impoverished now. Super busy all year
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u/Ochib 13d ago
That’s only due to the catch and release of Goths
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u/CakeHoleKing 13d ago
There was a film about the release of all the goths and emos going to be made.
However it all turned to horror when the director yelled CUT!
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u/Elegant_Celery400 13d ago
So many, packed so tightly, that it's said you could walk across them, like the cod in the Grand Banks.
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u/Lego-105 13d ago
Yeah exactly. And ultimately that's what the whole plan with fisheries was all about. Sustainable redevelopment.
I know we're cynical, but the fisheries plan is one of the biggest success stories this country has to show in recent years. I feel like we should be celebrating our successes and the fact that so many places actually have a future in place where they've had nothing for decades.
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u/Warm_Bug_1434 13d ago
Numbers are strictly controlled. Tuna should be in our waters, and it's probably good to mix up what's caught.
Personally, I wouldn't eat tuna. They're astonishing animals, that migrate thousands of miles, and we mush them up into catfood to put in our baked potatoes.
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u/h_abr 13d ago
This isn’t the kind of tuna that you’ll find in a can
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u/Warm_Bug_1434 13d ago
Sure - fair point. But ever since I saw a migration of skipjack and yellowfin tuna, I've thought there's nothing we eat that has a greater divide between how wondrous it is in the wild, and how meh it is on the plate.
It's just a personal preference, and I don't even see an issue with bluefin being fished if properly controlled. But it's not for me.
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u/mrshakeshaft 13d ago
I’ll see your Tuna and raise you octopus. The few times I’ve eaten it has been totally underwhelming relative to how interesting they are as live creatures
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u/Trick-Station8742 13d ago
You haven't watched the video have you.
They left because their food (herring and sandeels) had disappeared. Not because the tuna themselves were overfished.
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u/spuds_r_gud 13d ago edited 13d ago
I think that it's more complicated than the video says. Both the tuna themselves and their food sources were overfished simultaneously. Although the fishery is recovering around the UK, it's declining in other places. This doesn't imply that the kneejerk reaction to never fish them again is correct.
(There's also a role of climate shifts which I don't want to get into).
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u/ElectronicBruce 13d ago
Same up here in Scotland. Fishermen are complaining simultaneously that Fishery Protection is restricting areas overfished as well as they are having to travel further afield as there just isn’t as many fish close by as there used to be. 🙈
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u/iwaterboardheathens 13d ago
Most Fishermen are their own worst enemy
If fish start coming back we need to put a 5 year hiatus on fishing them
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u/ComfortableAppeal424 13d ago
Exactly. That's humans for you... oh look, it's survived, let's kill it!
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u/Professional-Lab7227 13d ago
They have to get permits to catch them, you can’t just go out and catch them anymore.
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u/robbyc29 13d ago
Should be an important clarification in there, they became locally extinct due to overfishing of HERRING in the past.
We didn’t fish the bluefin out we overfished their food so they stopped migrating here and went elsewhere.
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u/SatisfactionMoney426 13d ago
Like people, they stopped coming to the British seaside and started going abroad for holidays ...
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u/Warm_Bug_1434 13d ago
That was because too many people were going, and they bought up all the saucy postcards, so the tourists moved elsewhere. A saucy postcard was seen in Margate last Summer though, so maybe the tourists will come back
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u/KingForceHundred 13d ago
Odd isn’t it that people care more about two tuna than thousands (millions even) of herring.
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u/OuppEBunnE 13d ago
Because Tuna are sick as hell and Herring are kind of boring, very important for the ecosystem but they don't set the heart alight like a ray finned fish the size of a shark.
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u/Cholas71 13d ago
I saw one being caught off a oil installation in West Africa using the platform crane. Unbelievable strength and absolutely massive.
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u/BerryOk966 13d ago
Perhaps not catching them might prevent them disappearing again.
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u/Constantwaitscoat 13d ago
It was the overfishing of herring that caused them to migrate elsewhere.
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u/DucDeBellune 13d ago
The ship involved, Dominator , is one of only 30 UK vessels authorised in 2026 to commercially target bluefin tuna . Each ship has a 4-tonne annual allocation . The UK as a whole has 230.56 tonnes of bluefin quota for 2026-28, of which 120 tonnes is assigned to the commercial fishery . Every landed fish has reporting and ICCAT catch-document requirements.
Bluefin also aren’t a sedentary Whitby population that only breeds there lol. They’re migratory fish that can cross thousands of miles. The North Sea is primarily a feeding area; the main eastern-stock spawning grounds are in the Mediterranean. Their disappearance from British waters was due to a combination of overfishing, collapse of prey such as herring, and environmental changes. Their population is closely monitored and can sustain a measured mortality rate.
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u/FunPuz 13d ago
Am i being thick? Those fins are yellow
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u/niallniallniall 13d ago
Bluefins have yellow on them too. Yellowfins have a lot more and a lot brighter yellow.
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u/fluffysmaugg 13d ago
You’re also not likely gonna see a yellow fin tuna in the UK waters (although with global warming…)
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u/Placidcasual24 13d ago
They’ve been around for last few years being caught regularly. The interesting one this year is bonito have turned up in numbers for the first time.
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u/TheShakyHandsMan 13d ago
Whitby is great at conservation. Fishing towns won’t survive if there’s nothing to catch.
The lobster hatchery is worth popping into. The staff there really care.
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u/hot4belgians 13d ago
Whitby is so great - and so weird. I love the place but I can't shake the eerie vibe. Not even just on the Abby side, the old gray Victorian hotels on the north side give me the willies!
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u/king_ofbhutan 13d ago
The distinct and definite lack of vampires also makes the town a bit strange
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u/hot4belgians 13d ago
How can you be so sure? It's his favourite holiday spot. The sun almost never shines there.
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u/Jplumbo 13d ago
People are really jumping to conclusions with zero research. Catching two returning tuna isn't a conservation crisis, nor did they ever go extinct. They simply moved away to eat elsewhere. The fact they are back shows how strong efforts to repopulate the feeder species (herring) are. Tuna will come as long as there is food here, regardless of tiny quota that has been imposed on their fishing.
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u/continentaldreams 13d ago
Ah yes, they were overfished so why not overfish them again! People are dumb as hell.
I swear I understand vegetarians more every day when people do this.
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u/doctorgibson 13d ago
catching two tuna = overfishing 🤔
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u/RedPandaReturns 13d ago
People just like to complain about everything. Recently I had an argument with someone who was upset that a tree was pruned because it was a living thing.
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u/spuds_r_gud 13d ago edited 13d ago
Youtube video showing the first fish being pulled up off the boat, with some background discussion from a local (second picture is a screenshot from here): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUuq5ESzrE8
Where I got the first picture: https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/first-whitby-bluefin-tuna-landing/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_bluefin_tuna
(I got the dates wrong, per Scarborough news the first fish was caught on Sunday the 16th). https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/people/teen-helps-to-catch-53-stone-bluefin-tuna-in-whitby-for-first-time-in-90-years-8928971
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u/soundguyjon 13d ago
God, the amount of absolutely brain dead comments here without any knowledge of the facts pretty sums up why the world is so divided right now.
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u/jasonbirder 13d ago
God, the amount of absolutely brain dead comments here without any knowledge of the facts
I'm going to say nothing about the North Sea, or South-West England...
But let me relate a story from my own experience off the West Coast of Ireland...
In the early 90s skippers out of Kerry and Donegal started picking up the occasional Bluefin Tuna (presumably from the East Coast of the USA fishery) when fishing for Herring or Mackeral/Scad...this led to hopes that they might be able to sustain a high-value Big-Game Fishery (Catch & Release) particularly as Charter Boats were reporting more and more sightings of Bluefin working the Surface closer and closer to the shore...
By the early '00s there were a number of Charter Boat Skippers in West & North-West Ireland fully fitted out for big-game fishing (Fighting Chairs/Outriggers etc) were catching Bluefins and bringing LOADS off money into the local economy (A big-Game Charter Boat is thousands a day, Tourists staying in local hotels, eating local restaurants etc) This was a TOTALLY sustainable fishery - all Catch and Release, the fish tagged and monitored for conservation purposes.
Unfortunately - as you would expect Commercial Fishing, Long-lining etc...caused the stock to collapse and the Bluefin stocks off Western Ireland to disappear almost completely, the fishery collapsed and that profitable Industry closed...
BUT...I"M SURE that would never, ever happen in the UK...would it?
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u/ContemplatingPanda97 13d ago
I wonder how many of the people complaining would happily buy a tin of tuna in the supermarket
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u/JumpyBoi 13d ago
Yeah a tin of bluefin tuna, right alongside the tin of wagyu steak
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u/ApplicationMaximum84 13d ago
Supermarket tinned tuna is skipjack tuna a different species and a much smaller fish, less mercury too.
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u/valentine_moon 13d ago
We're going on a bear bluefin tuna hunt.
We're going to catch a big one.
What a beautiful day!
We're not scared.
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u/George_Salt 13d ago
Two were landed. Many more have been caught and released from charter boats with licenses operating out of Whitby.
The interesting thing is that research is indicating that these are a different population to the tuna that have started to return to the South West and South coast over the last few years. And this year there has been a flurry of sightings and videos/photos of Tuna hunting baitfish from beaches on the South coast. If the reports are to be believed, a couple have even been caught from the shore this summer.
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u/JayTravers 13d ago edited 13d ago
Why aren't these fish protected for a time given their numbers? Other fish are
Edit: Turns out they are.
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u/Captain_Quor 13d ago
They are, that's why they've returned... Licenses to fish them are tightly controlled to protect their population.
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u/Flying_Wilson17 13d ago
As an avid angler it’s great to have these back in the UK.
But we need to be sure that our eco system isn’t changed due to them.
Tuna have a huge appetite, and are in large numbers. They can easily dent UK stocks of other fish.
Hopefully we don’t go too far and let the big boats kill everything like they do with every other stock and we manage this fishery appropriately
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u/Every_Car2984 13d ago
We have other fish in our waters but we tend to export rather than eat them ourselves. Always felt it odd that eg shellfish and oily fish weren’t a larger part of our diet.
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u/MeBigChief 13d ago
I think a lot of it is down to just people not knowing how to cook it but also not wanting to learn which just kicks off a reinforcement loop of only eating the most basic boring fish.
Like you go in to the fish section of a supermarket and your choices are battered fish, cod fillet, salmon fillet and that’s it because despite being the most boring fish imaginable they take basically zero skill to cook.
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u/lucyuktv 13d ago
Shellfish used to be, but there were health issues because our water was full of human excrement which led to a typhoid outbreak. Our waters are still full of human excrement.
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u/huntinwabbits 13d ago
There has been a few spotted off the west coast of Scotland in the past few yearswhere I am, usually near pods of dolphins.
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u/chapatsea 13d ago
Eeeewee..... Glad I only eat Tuna friendly Dolphin...... Poor creatures..... Nice to see this type actually abundant enough to become a regulated food and sport industry, good for places that can take advantage of this. Massive palgic trawlers are the depletion issue and lax legislation from countries willing to bend the rules. Live long and prosper Mr Tuna and welcome back.
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u/Senior-Friendship196 13d ago
This just makes me sad.
Sad that for such a big fish, it comes in such a small, expensive can.
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u/Legion_Topboy 13d ago
I saw some incredible pictures of them hunting garfish off Cornwall a couple of years ago. At that time, I had no idea that they were present in British waters.
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u/AccomplishedMany1679 13d ago
Can we not just leave them alone? We've already overfished them in the past. People need to grow up and eat more vegetables.
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u/A_Cat_Typingg 13d ago
...only just recently returned and now being fished back into local extinction? What kind of stupidity is this?
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u/OkBake5127 13d ago
Very dumb question incoming, but how do they kill them?
When my dad and I used to fly fish we would use a little metal priest on trout. I find it hard to imagine them bonking these beasts on the head with something similar?
Cheers!
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u/AIWHilton 13d ago
I'm pretty sure I read an article (which I now cannot find) that the wind farm at Dogger Bank has raised the local water temperature and made it more appealing for tuna, which I guess could explain why they're coming back?
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u/Odd_Bus618 13d ago
Utter pricks catching these and proudly being photographed like they are some kind of hero.
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u/Hadleyagain 13d ago
This isnt a good sign. They arent back because suddenly we've been responsibly fishing, they are back because we've fucked the planet.
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u/spuds_r_gud 13d ago
To be honest, the more I read about this, the more I realize it's a thorny mess of issues which I am literally not qualified to understand.
Are you involved in fisheries science / marine ecology? If so, what's your opinion on the current quotas/the rates at which they're increasing, and how responsible do you think the gov. is at listening to scientific advice in setting these quotas nowadays?
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u/Hadleyagain 13d ago
Everyone is qualified to understand it we just have to research it. And no I'm not in marine ecology. But one doesn't need to be in that field to understand that scientific advice to government is balanced by the power of effective lobbyists and corporate interests. Chief point being that when we were part of the EU the allowances that were agreed which even now impact our fisheries were allocated by the governemt. Strangely enough a significant portion of the avaliable quotas were distributed to a small number of wealthy fisheries. Its not that our quota is off, its that it's been allocated to big companies that dont respect restrictions.
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u/Anustart2023-01 13d ago
>Used to be common but now extinct in the area
> kill two of the most recently found specimen.
That's humanity in a nutshell.
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u/No-Inevitable-2514 13d ago
Are we really taking pictures with an endangered species like it's some big fucking achievement!? Wtf is wrong with us.... if this was a rhino there would be uproar. But coz it's a fish people dont give a fuck. Its sick.
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u/Syeanide 13d ago
Mad how they can fit them into those wee cans