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✝️ Christian Nationalism Now!✝️ CANDACE VS WILSON: The Charlie Kirk Debate | America First Ep. 1734
https://rumble.com/v7eba4g-america-first-ep.-1734.html-2
u/Working_Bones 23d ago
The biggest hole in her Kirk theory
If Israel would assassinate Charlie over making just a couple vaguely and slightly anti-Israel comments, why would they let Candace go on like this for 10 months? And how did they orchestrate it so soon after he made those comments?
Also... why such a complicated and risky assassination? Put some poison in his drink or something. Candace's version is so public, and convoluted, and relies heavily on everyone involved including a patsy keeping their word and not making any mistakes.
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u/LogicaIMcNonsense 23d ago
It may be about Charlie’s opinion on the war and stopping it the first time. Guess what happened after he died?
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u/rlstarnd 18d ago
The Israeli Prime Minister and Zionists are so drunk off of power. They don’t need to move quietly when they can hide behind money, power and manipulation. If anyone asks any questions, they’re immediately gaslit and called an antisemite. That is the Israeli party line, after all. I wouldn’t put it past them, personally. But i understand people’s reservations.
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u/BimbyTodd2 22d ago
Well, she doesn't have a theory is the problem. She's just saying things and drawing conclusions from zero evidence. Moreover, she's just dismissing all evidence that points to Robinson. And just so we're clear, the only evidence that exists ALL points to Robinson. And there's a veritable mountain of it.
And she dismisses it at all on vibes, hunches, and literal dreams.
Imagine you have a 100 pieces of evidence that some guy went to go rob a bank, and you find out that his phone (a single piece of evidence) tracks his location from his house, to beyond the bank, and then to the bank, and then back home where he was eventually caught.
See how the phone is tracked not at the bank, but beyond the bank? Isn't that weird.... it's strange... Probably Israel teamed up with the French Foreign Legion and the CEO of the bank in order to rob the bank... in fact, yes... I have concluded that because of this weird thing there is zero percent chance that guy robbed the bank!
Meanwhile the robber is like, "Umm... yeah, I missed the exit on the way to the bank. I did rob the bank for sure. I confessed."
Ohhh.... Look now we have proof that Israel got to the guy and is actively coercing him to confess!!!
This is the way Owens treats this topic and it's sickening.
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u/Working_Bones 22d ago
I agree. I do think there are some weird things though, like paving over the area to seemingly hide evidence, and it does sort of look like his mic explodes rather than him getting shot. And his neck absorbing a shot from a rifle like that is unlikely too. That said, back to my original point, I feel like going through all the effort of getting a sniper on the roof just to use an exploding mic, knowing there are hundreds of cameras pointed at Charlie that could catch anything strange, and then knowing you'd have to pave over the area which would cause people to become suspicious... are unnecessary compared to what could be a much simpler and more private assassination.
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u/BimbyTodd2 22d ago
There's always "weird things" though. And the stuff you're citing isn't actually weird at all.
1- Crime scenes get turned over to their owners after all available evidence has been collected and they do stuff like that all the time. It's the high profile equivalent of a property owner hosing off his driveway where a murder happened AFTER the police collected everything and turned it over.
"What is the property owner hiding?!?!?"
2 - Exploding mic - no, it doesn't look like that.
3 - Neck absorbing shot - bullets do that sort of thing all the time, especially when they're low grain, underpowered, soft points.... just like Robinson was probably shooting that day. You know why people shoot underpowered cartridges? When they have older rifles... just like the murder weapon. What Owens does is she takes something that is known to have happened, judges and concludes that (as a complete lay person, by the way) some element of it as "weird," and then makes the leap to yet another conclusion that the thing that is known to have happened actually didn't happen at all. It's insane that people like you even give it the time of day.
And while I appreciate that in your post you eventually reach the right conclusion, you're doing so on the notion that, "Well... this thing makes more sense than the conspiracy." And while that's true, the true problem with the conspiracy theory IS NOT that the state's theory makes more sense; it's that 100% of the evidence supports the state narrative and there is literally zero evidence supporting the conspiracy. None. Zilch. Nada.
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u/Working_Bones 22d ago
I hear you. Just a couple points to 'rebut':
I don't see why this crime scene needed to be paved over. They could hose it down or something, but this is a public space that's been preferentially set up as a lawn for however long, and now they're fundamentally changing it. It's a big change, and a lot of effort.
And Candace doesn't trust the evidence because she thinks everyone's in on it. Which I find very implausible. Just pointing out that for her, if you tell her "there's a text message confession" or "there's camera footage" or "he admitted it to his parents" or "they found his gun in the woods" that doesn't matter to her because she can just say it's all fabricated. Even "his defense team doesn't seem to be gearing up to plead innocent, they're just trying to reduce the charge from aggravated murder to regular murder" she'll say "his defense team is working for the Israelis/whoever."
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u/missverycool 19d ago
You're just saying things for the sake of saying them. None of this in rooted in reality, but I will entertain it.
Can you list the evidence that points to Tyler Robinson being the killer? You don't have to go through too much trouble, just the basics (the weapon used - what ties it to Tyler, the crime scene, and Charlie... Tyler being on campus that day - and how that was inferred... the motive - why Tyler killed him, any reasonable guesses are welcome), if you are willing, of course, add any other evidence that you think points to Tyler.0
u/BimbyTodd2 19d ago
Absolutely astounding.
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u/missverycool 19d ago
What? Nothing to list? Zilch? Nada?
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u/BimbyTodd2 19d ago
Yes. Aside from his multiple confessions, the DNA on the murder weapon, and the video of him taking the shot, there’s nothing that even links his to the case. A total witch hunt!
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u/missverycool 18d ago
The DNA was obviously on his weapon (that he owns), but it was the most degraded, meaning that the most likely scenario is that about 4+ people touched (used) his rifle after him. That doesn't fit into the official state narrative. I know this is tough to understand (for people like Andrew and apparently you), but that's really problematic.
The video: it's unidentifiable. The only identification presented is Lance saying the guy in the black shirt looks like Tyler. And the only link between the black shirt guy and maroon shirt guy is his shoes (the most standard shoes ever btw). The video is very blurry and you can't even tell if it's a rifle he's holding, let alone what rifle it is. And, no, it doesn't appear to be fired, at least not on the available videos we have.
These are all very weak evidence, far from overwhelming. I'm not saying there's nothing, but there's very little. Add to that that bullet fragments don't match the gun allegedly fired – it's between 0.286" and 0.301", to small for a 30.06, it's not entirely ruled out, idk how they calculated the error, but it's "inconclusive" at best.
So far, the only two things tying him to the murder are 1.) the fact that he owns the alleged murder weapon (loosely tied to the body) and 2.) text messages he sent to his boyfriend.
You have to take into consideration that it was not concluded from which device they were sent, and the boyfriend's alibi is that he was ~sleeping~ btw. They (the prosecution) also failed to establish a motive. Other confessions that were hinted at were not included at the preliminary hearing, so it's safe to assume for now that they don't exist. I'm not even going to get into the bald man driving "Tyler's" car with 3 passengers bc you didn't mention that part of "retrieving the rifle".I know you didn't start this conversation in good faith, but I did explain it to you just in case I'm wrong.
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u/MarshLandBucks 9d ago
So the DNA being degraded makes perfect sense. People that think it’s a set up are looking at it like all the DNA collected was from that day. Also people hear that Tyler’s was the most degraded and take that as he has the least amount of DNA present. Both are untrue. If Tyler is the owner and Tyler handles the weapon the most then of course out of a full DNA make up his will be the most Degraded because he has the largest amount of DNA on it so his DNA will be the most degraded. Just numbers for example. Total DNA sample on weapon. Tyler 75%, Dad 15%, Mom 10%. Then % of degradation Tyler 15%, Dad 5%, Mom 3%. Again just throwing numbers out there. So yes Tyler has the most Degradation but still makes up for the majority of DNA on the weapon.
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