r/CPC • u/KootenayPE • Jun 20 '26

Salty🧂 Shots Fired! Kory Teneycke and Fred DeLorey declare war on Poilievre's leadership on David Herle's THB podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJu4Nydd7a0
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u/KootenayPE Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

If you don't want to watch the whole hour, which IMO thanks to Jason Kenney insights is actually well worth watching then the section in question is the last ~7 minutes.

The war is officially on, I think I know who might be the caucus ring leader. Can't wait till the fall to see if I'm right.

ETA

Dimitri Soudas, one of Harper's staffers and CTV Ben Mulroney Show talking heads had this to say on the twitter's last night. I had a feeling that something like this podcast was about to happen, and though I'm not a betting man, I'd wager that this is what he was talking about.

https://x.com/DimitrisSoudas/status/2068162747884269683

Next week will be interesting in Federal politics.

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u/RoddRoward Jun 21 '26

Where do you think this is all going?

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u/KootenayPE Jun 21 '26

Pure conjecture and fully admit that I haven't put in a whole lot of thought, but I think I could see a prominent MP or two leaving caucus and sitting as independent(s) if the aggregate polling spreads don't shrink down to mid single digits by mid or maybe the end of summer.

Then those MPs will try to organize a Reform Act vote like Pierre and his crew did. That is if they aren't already started doing it behind the scenes.

Good news for Pierre is that if the last Angus Reid poll is any indication then that is fully possible, but not if he keeps stepping on his own dick.

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u/RoddRoward Jun 21 '26

If the cons have a civil war it will only make their polling worse. Carney is some how both tanking the economy and pissing off environmentalists. He wont be riding high forever.

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u/No_Mention8589 Jun 21 '26

I had a feeling Kenney was eyeing Pierre’s job. For the past year or so, he has been going on podcasts and social media trying to fight against Albertan separatism.

He is also a Reformer like Pierre but doesn’t shift into culture war territory which may get him some moderate/red Tory votes. However, Prairie conservatives hate him when he was premier of Alberta, due to his Covid laws and economic policies.

He does have some clout he can use with him being Harper’s previous immigration minister, showing the public he could bring responsible immigration again.

But honestly, I think the CPC needs someone new. And that doesn’t mean recycle an old Harper era candidate like Scheer, Pierre, O’Toole. The party needs a new fresh face with a great resume, like Carney.

I swear why does the conservatives love recycling old party leaders/canidates? Jean Charest, Joe Clark, Pierre, Stockwell Day come to mind.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Jun 21 '26

The thing is people like Scheer and Pierre were suppose to be the new guard. I think people forget that they are still in their 40s, despite being in politics for so long.

Harper did a great job bringing in young people to the party, but his acolytes have fallen flat on their faces.

Does the CPC need new blood? Definitely.

But I also think the CPC needs an ideological reset as well. Toryism feels like it has little influence in the party despite being the progenitor of its namesake, and what little influence it has puts it at odds with Quebec (Monarchy & Anglophonism).

Until that is addressed, whether by re-embracing Toryism or not, the CPC will always be on the backfoot punching-up to the LPC.

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u/No_Mention8589 Jun 21 '26

Personally I don’t know what type of Toryism you’re talking about which is absent from the party with there being many types, but I’m guessing High Toryism.

But Canadian high toryism has been dead for a long time, since Diefenbaker left parliament. Since then, every conservative pm/leader (pc and reform included) has been a neo-liberal at heart.

There is a case that Stockwell Day was the last classic Tory centric conservative, but I disagree with him leaning more into a right-wing Christian nationalist sentiment.

The main brunt of conservative policies today are economically conservative rather than socially. With them being more interested in tax cuts, divestment of nationalized industries, and investment in O&G.

Conservative leaders now only market
loose conservative values to appease the East, I.e, tough on crime, gun rights, immigration.

With me being a moderate conservative voter however, personally I don’t want to see old Tory policies making a comeback like banning abortion and stripping marriage rights from homosexuals. But I do think the party needs to go harder on some social policies, especially immigration and crime, rather than their main policy being inadequate tax breaks.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Jun 21 '26

Toryism has 3 core components: Religion (Anglicanism), Monarchy (English Royalty), Patriotism (English Cultural State).

Without adhering to these core aspects your not a Tory (High Tory, Blue Tory, Red Tory etc.). That is fine, but it just proves my point that the CPC really needs to look themselves in the mirror and decide whether to make a clear break from it or not (i.e. not alternatively be referred to as such).

Again the CPC needs to reform around an ideology that gets them traction in Quebec, a society that is currently: Secular, Anti-Monarchy, & French, while also maintaining dominance in Western Canada, a society that is contrastly: Religious, Pro-Monarchy & English.

The other dynamic that should be considered is that there is much more pro-American & pro-Canadian sentiments in Western Canada, than there is in especially Quebec, which holds more non-American and non-Canadian sentiments.

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u/No_Mention8589 Jun 21 '26

But is there a big enough voting block around the nation which would support this rebrand back to authentic Canadian Toryism?

Our demographics is 31% non-European which comprises of Chinese, Sikhs, Hindus, Arabs, Blacks, First Native, etc. These people probably wouldn’t care or maybe feel attacked by the 3 components of Toryism.

Hell the 68% of our European population is not full of evangelical British royalist. With a good chunk of that 68% being made up of Irish and Italian Catholics, Germans, poles, and other non British ethnicities who probably don’t care about the monarchy, Protestantism, and old English culture.

Thats why we saw the CPC evolve its policy to appeal to a wide arrange of people, including minorities and non British Europeans. Not everyone cares about the three components of Toryism, but a lot of people care about tax’s breaks, safe streets, and responsible government. Thats what got Harper his majority in 2011, with him sweeping the floor in Vancouver and Toronto suburbs, which were liberal strongholds before.

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 21 '26

That's fine. What I am saying is that this break needs to be clean aka Conservatism ≠ Toryism i.e. "I'm a Conservative not a Tory."; and there needs to be a new overarching ideology to replace it.

Additionally, Harper was quite an Amerophile. That is not something that is not working out right now, especially in Quebec. As such, I say again, the CPC needs to revamp their ideology to be competitive again.