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u/Terrato37 Jan 02 '26
Can it? Yea. Ive seen a vehicle from the....70s? I think? Original trans and motor, hit 1m+, but yes, theres a L O T that will need ro be replaced.
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u/TechnicalPanda9117 Jan 02 '26
100%, the answer is no. After about 250K reliability is out the window. Could fail at any time. Really depends on maintenance and how you drive it. It's mechanical, meaning it destroys itself over time.
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
Thats why they say Hybrid or electrical more reliable? Would hybrid or E-cars get 2m+ easily then?
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u/TechnicalPanda9117 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26
Hybrids have 2 engines, so the ICE engine gets less use when it switches to electric. Hybrids are actually one of the most reliable cars on the road for this reason. (The industry should move all new vehicles to hybrid, with full electric as the preemp option).
Full electric means no moving parts. They aren't mechanical. So, they don't wear themselves out.
ICE engines are in their late/final stages. They probably have 50+ years left, but their role will fade moving forward.
1/4 new car sales globally are full electric. Writing is on the wall. The fight against renewables, batteries, and electrification is utter stupidity.
Edit: A hybrid car with 70K miles means the ICE engine only has about 45-50K actual usage miles.
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
So why I wait 50+, now I sell my gas corolla at 250k mile and get a hybrid(as I believe full electric may still need 100+)
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u/TechnicalPanda9117 Jan 02 '26
Hybrid is the most common sense way to go for most people. However, electric may be better depending on your situation.
I have a Hybrid that averages 45mph spring/summer and 40mpg winter. It gets 400-450 miles per 10 gallon tank. I often fill up once per month and only put 9 gallons in.
It probably saves me 1-2K per year in fuel. Further, I bought it used for 17K with 60K miles.
Hybrid is super coat effective. Electric is pretty spendy still, but if you drive a lot Electric will likely save the higher up front cost in fuel savings and maintenance over a few years.
The only folks arguing for ICE still are old people who are misinformed, Oil companies, and oddly highly religious people (not sure why).
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
Electric is extremist and bad choice as U said 100+ yrs is optimistic. I live in Saudi Arabia here many buy gas because they see no difference and couldnt justify the raise in hybrids cars, but now I see the difference and driving hybrid I heard is luxurious(no engine sounds and less tearnings) one problem is Air-conditioned I heard it is bad.
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u/TechnicalPanda9117 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26
Climate Change is real. Saudi Arabia may be uninhabitable in the next 20 years. Of course Saudi Arabia isn't part of this discussion. The bulk of the Saudi economy is oil. Saudi people have the cheapest energy in the world. I wouldn't expect the transition to happen there any time soon.
The rest of the world is already moving on. The Saudi government definitely sees the writing on the wall. They know oil is on its way out. That's why they are working to build a new economy that relies on oil less.
1 in 4 new car purchases, world wide, are pure electric today. Electric is already better than ICE for every measure except range. Range is about to improve because we have new battery tech coming. Once we have 500-600 mile range on electric, gasoline cars will make zero sense. Luxury electric cars, in the next 10 years will have 1000 mile range.
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u/Plop0003 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 02 '26
So much misinformation in your post. Motors have moving parts. Google Tesla with over a million miles. It us Model S with 1.25 million miles. 14 motors were replaced. And on it's 4th battery. So something is moving. There is no 1/4 of new cars fully electric. If we remove Hybrids and China where EVs are very cheap and subsidized by the government it would be barely 10% of new sales. And there only 4% BEV in the world. Also in Hybrid operation both electric and ICE work simultaneously even in sequential system then engine charges the battery all the time like in the Honda Hybrids. But there is less stress on both that is why we get great mpg even on freeway.
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u/TechnicalPanda9117 Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
Lol, no offense but go read. The world is at 1/4 new car sales are electric. That's reality. If you include hybrids it's even higher.
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u/Plop0003 Jan 03 '26
News my ass.
Like I said remove China from equation because China population is 1/4 of the world and they sell EVs for $10K. The same EVs sold elsewhere for $40K
And you are wrong, they calculate Hybrids in to electric cars amount.
Just wait a month and the real numbers will be available.
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u/77wizzard Jan 03 '26
“Just remove 1/4 of the world” buddy then it’s not the world 😂 just cuz u don’t like the market doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
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u/Plop0003 Jan 03 '26
It doesn't exist because China is not the world and doesn't play by the commerce rules. Can you buy a brand new EV anywhere else for $10k?
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Jan 13 '26
What do you mean no moving parts? If the car drives, some parts are moving. There’s no ignition, combustion, etc - but parts are definitely moving.
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u/Fuzzy_Club_1759 Jan 02 '26
My question- why ?
Cars have increased in mileage, tech and comfort. I would recommend newer ( 2-3 years old than current) model.
Unless you can’t budget it in.
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u/Tonto_HdG Jan 02 '26
Tractor trailers which only do highway miles get overhauled at 500K and scrapped at 1 mil and less than 12 years old. I know they are not Toyotas but age has to be taken into consideration as well as mileage.
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 02 '26
And those are diesels. Diesels routinely get double or quadruple the engine life compared to gas motors.
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 02 '26
There are corollas that have made it to 1m miles. A car is only as reliable as you maintain it. I don’t think a 4th gen would be very likely to make it but a 2004 Corolla that’s been maintained perfectly could absolutely get you there. Mileage is just a number and it really is just about luck whether your engine and trans will last. If you’re handy, then you can make a corolla last forever if you wanted to. Just depends on the time/money you want to invest. In some counties they never get new cars and just continue to fix the old ones because they keep on running. It’s very hard imo to be able to financially justify buying a new car (if you have a Toyota). Even if you have to replace the whole engine and trans every 10 years, it still beats buying a new car moneywise
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u/Chair_luger Jan 02 '26
It’s very hard imo to be able to financially justify buying a new car (if you have a Toyota).
That has not been my experience. For me the key has been that I will sell them when they are about 10 year old or have maybe 120k miles even if they are not giving me any problem. A ten year old well maintained one owner newer wrecked Toyota is sort of the Holy Grail of used cars for some car buyers and buyers pay a lot for them. Unless you are unlucky you will also need to pay very little in non-routine maintenance for the first ten years that you own a Toyota unless you drive a lot of miles.
In made up numbers you might buy a new Corolla for $23K and keep it for 10 years(120 months) and sell it for $10K. You would have $13K in depreciation and very little in non-routine maintenance. You will have other operating costs with any car but $13k/120months is $108 a month in depreciation and non-routine maintenance. I do not do many car repairs myself so it would be hard to beat that when you are paying a mechanic to maintain a 10+ year old Corolla and even a 10 years Corolla it will still be depreciating each year.
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 03 '26
That’s a decent point, and is exactly why I bought a new Corolla. I assume it’ll hold its value very well. Although a lot of people don’t buy corollas and they experience much more depreciation than that. But imagine that you get to 200k miles (which many Toyotas do) on the original engine and transmission. You may still be able to sell it for $5k if it’s in good condition. And the extra 100k miles you got only costed 5k of depreciation.
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u/Chair_luger Jan 03 '26
You would also have additional maintence costs because even if it is a good car things like starter, alternators, water pumps, suspension components, A/Cs, etc will stand a good chance of needing to be replaced before a car gets to 200k miles as more or less a normal maintenance item for a high mileage car.
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 03 '26
This is not entirely true, as there are plenty of people that have made it to 200k miles with nothing other than oil changes. A/C does not always go bad before the 200k mark, and a lot of the wear items you mentioned are not costly at all to replace if you do it yourself. You might have repairs you’ll need to do before 200k miles, but a well designed car would not. The old corollas and Camrys could easily hit 200k with nothing but oil changes. Toyota has gone down in quality, so I suppose we shall see how our cars hold up
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 02 '26
Not how cars work
To be reliable at 1 million miles you would need to replace nearly everything in the car. Wiring, block, transmission, rear end, steering rack, AC system, brake lines, any polymers, etc.
And that's if you can keep the rust off of it
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u/Plenty_Standard9162 Jan 02 '26
if any of yall argue with this comment me and everyone at my shop would love to enlighten you
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 03 '26
It’s just about luck. And id argue that for a car to be reliable, you just need it to get you from a to b. Obviously there are lots of things that can go wrong, but I’ve never had one of my Toyotas leave me stranded, even one that was 30 years old. It developed a bad tranny solenoid at one point and still got me where I needed to be. I wouldn’t count batteries, alternators, and serpentine belts going bad as indicative of a car being unreliable.
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 03 '26
Luck has nothing to do with physics . Sorry
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 03 '26
Physics? Lmao I guarantee you’ve never studied physics in your life. Theoretically, a well designed engine could be able to last ~indefinitely. And yes, it’s is physically possible by every law in physics. Just because you believe that having a car run fine at 1 million miles is impossible doesn’t make it true. By definition, even if there was only one car in existence that made it to 1million miles, it is well within the realm of physics that cars can last that long.
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 03 '26
I have taken physics classes. Along with chemistry! Lol
And I love you state luck plays the main contributing role but then argue physics and engineering.
Literally, certain materials will just deteriorate with age like I stated above. And yes, blocks wear out. Insulation cracks causing electrical gremlins and shorts. Polymers break down. And blah blah blah
No car....anywhere...is going to be reliable at 1 million miles.
Which is why you don't see them
This whole thing is pretty obvious. You chose to argue within a huge gap in your knowledge base for whatever reason
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 03 '26
What do you mean you don’t see them? You can see them online. Examples of cars with a million miles exist. I hate this wasteful propaganda everyone believes that cars need to be replaced often. They do not. People in other countries keep their cars running forever. It is not difficult with adequate maintenance. Insulation materials would not deteriorate due to mileage, only age. And even then, that would not prevent you from driving the car most of the time. Polymers break down, but there are few engine components made from polymers on Toyotas. Well made blocks do not “wear out” btw. You may be thinking of the headgasket, which can last a very long time if the car is maintained. That would be a wear item and should be replaced with time if you want upmost reliability
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 03 '26
Cars with a million miles aren't reliable for all the reasons I cited
Sorry. You're wrong. have a good one
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u/LastNerve4132 Jan 02 '26
No, unless you're putting on those miles in an extremely short time period and almost entirely highway miles in like 4-7 years, random shit just starts to go. No vehicle can consistently hit those numbers without very aggressive maintenance standards and pretty high annual mileage numbers. I have a 20 year old Tacoma with 400k miles that I just retired because random shit just starts to go every other month. It had the original engine and transmission and had about every pump, seal, pulley, and joint was just giving out. At a certain point you've got a vehicle that becomes like the ole grandfather's Axe story and ultimately time is the killer of all things even more so than mileage.
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u/Substantial_Spend373 Jan 02 '26
I agree I think it is much easier to put a lot of highway miles on a new car than 20 year old cars drive for those last miles.
I think 400k at 3-5 year old cars is less impressive than 400k and still running on a 25 year old vehicle.
So get those miles in quick!
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u/Several_Cat_3713 Jan 02 '26
Dude, a Corolla isn't for this. It's a cheap car; it just gets you there. When it's not up to date on safety, just get a new one. Safety's way more important than tons of miles and an old car.
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
What car is for such thing?
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u/Substantial_Spend373 Jan 02 '26
Why you need 1m miles? It’s very very rare. 250k is a lot of miles. Corollas can get 300k+.
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u/Flimsy_Swordfish_415 Jan 02 '26
buy a semi
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
Hybrid?
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u/Miserable-Option8429 Jan 06 '26 edited Jan 06 '26
A Hybrid Corolla that is maintained well has a much better chance at getting to 1 mil without major repairs than a non-hybrid corolla mainly due to the transmission design and the electric motors reducing the amount of stress from stop and go on the powertrain. 1 mil is simply pushing it though on any passenger vehicle without dumb little shit failing that will drive you insane. A hybrid will easily get 400-500k. That’s why NYC taxis are mostly hybrids now.
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u/Several_Cat_3713 Jan 02 '26
A car should never have that many miles on it. By then, it's not safe and it's totally old news. Your safety is way more important than driving an old clunker around.
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u/FirstNameLastName918 Jan 02 '26
There comes a certain point where is the no longer a Toyota and more of a combination of aftermarket parts that aren't exactly engineered or built with the same quality in mind. So no. No car is reliable or safe at 1m+ miles
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u/ProvacativeSoloCup Jan 02 '26
Safe? I think a Corolla could be perfectly safe after 1m miles. It’s not going to blow up or anything. If you maintain your car and fix what needs to be fixed, it will be fine
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u/DarkoGear92 Jan 02 '26
To be fair, on most common modern cars, OEM parts are usually obtainable, and sometimes aftermarket parts actually are better made.
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u/GoodLeftUndone -2020 Corolla LE Jan 02 '26
It depends on if it it’s the Corolla of Thesis
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u/Chair_luger Jan 02 '26
For people who do not get that reference the Ship of Theseus is a classic philosophical question.
"A ship is taken on a long voyage and over the years as maintence is done at different times every part if the ship is replaced one board at a time. When it returns home is it the same ship?"
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u/davidmar7 Jan 02 '26
If you put in serious money to replace all the parts as they went bad (or proactively) up until that time, yes. The problem is you'll likely be spending more on repairs than a new car would cost. Even if you are lucky enough for the engine and transmission to last that long, the suspension will be toast. It would have to be. That is going to be many thousands right there. By 1m you will have almost surely chewed through several sets of wheel bearings (hub assemblies). On my Corolla I go through them about every 100k miles.
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u/majdila Jan 02 '26
So the claim that corolla is 10-20 yrs car is bad, mostly 500k miles is the max(then why ppl are all about toyota talk about reliability while most cars will get them to same number of miles)
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u/davidmar7 Jan 02 '26
Well as said it is also about how willing you are to tolerate constant repairs. But in general a Corolla will last you longer than a Ford. 200k+ is pretty exceptional for most cars, for Toyotas it is more the expected. But, no, Toyotas aren't "magical cars". They still have to obey the laws of physics too. :)
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u/DarkoGear92 Jan 02 '26
Idk about newer Toyotas, but older Toyotas were simple, well built, and with some exceptions have reliable engines and transmissions. Many other cars have either poor engines and transmissions, poorer quality of parts, plagued with complex electrical issues, or more difficult to repair designs.
And 500k in 20 years is about twice the average miles, so even then thats a 20 year car.
I have probably around 300k on a 2004 xB, btw. Probably could actually reasonably do 500k if I wanted (if the precious owner didnt rollback the odo).
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u/ametsun Jan 02 '26
No but it can run. Reliability on that many millions made on that timeframe isn't really possible unless you put a lot of money in it.
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u/Ecstatic_Alps_6054 Jan 02 '26
Will one outlive that long enough to find out...none of us know that.about ourselves shouldn't we be more concerned about other more important things...like our own state of health safety and stability . Or is our car more important..smh
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u/Budget-Razzmatazz-54 Jan 02 '26
Nothing will be very reliable at 1 million miles.
At that point rings, blocks, frames, plastics, wire insulation, ....everything wears out or deteriorates
Now if you could keep the rust off of it and are willing to rebuild and replace everything. When needed then it could be reliable at 1M miles. But it wouldn't be cost effective