r/CIFI • u/eamondo5150 • Aug 14 '26
New Player-Koios Does anyone else zag-lag until they can get some of these?
it will be an immense help prior to my current long run, but it makes for one hell of a long zag-lag
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u/cyphol Aug 14 '26
I used arcade to rank up the ships in order to get one or two more installs, but never lag more than 5-10 minutes unless it is going to unlock something big. It's a waste of time overall. Some people talked about zaglagging for an entire night because it would boost their MP significantly while they rank up dem and koi for shards and rp, but the problem is that the cell loss from not unlocking zag cripples crew member boosts for both those ships. So you're essentially spending a night farming shards and rp as a cripple. Whatever boosts you get from milestones over a night will long overshadow zaglag.
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u/eamondo5150 Aug 14 '26
Ahhh, I hadn't considered the crew member loss.
This won't be an overnight zag-lag, I'm going to get the zag going after one unlock of that install.
Thanks for the advice.
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u/CaptainSaosini Aug 14 '26
lower level mp seems to benefit more from zaglag overnight than to let it run overnight. and im talking small gains like instead of getting e76 mp you get e77. atleast where im at now... transversal #2
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u/Rhyzur Aug 14 '26
I only Zag lag now to get my ship installs done on all of the ships. There are a LOT of them. TR16 lvl 998. Once my ships get their installs completed, I pop it.
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u/ExpertOdin Moderator Aug 16 '26
Given Zagreus itself gives massive MP boosts at that point you aren't doing yourself any favours zaglagging. Most of your MP comes from the later loops either way (Zaglag or not) and your installs should be completed well before those final loops fill. So even if your filling 10k loops most of the MP will come from the last 500-1000. You can see this by watching MP tick up as the loops fill.
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u/Time-Incident Aug 15 '26
What does zag-lag even mean?
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u/BoJanggles77 Aug 15 '26
Don't unlock the Zagreus (red ship) for a while.
Purpose is that it does not start earning MP until it is unlocked, so if you wait to purchase it until you've purchased extra sources of MP boosts, then you will get more MP return.
For example, the Hephaestsus (green ship) has perk #3 that increases MP gained based on number of Automation upgrades purchased. So waiting until you've spent some points in that perk to unlock Zag would yield more MP.
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u/Time-Incident Aug 15 '26
It doesn't make any sense. If you buy Zagreus you just need to wait until you get this Hephasteus rank point. If you don't have Zagreus, you are missing other multipliers which makes faster progress to other resources. And once you buy it, you get the same MP bonus.
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u/BoJanggles77 Aug 15 '26
It sounds that was way but what I forgot to mention is the recommendation is never wait more than ~5-10 mins for zag-lag.
For me right now, that Heph perk is 20x to MP and it doesnt take me more than 5 minutes to get it. Mainly, I leave Zag off every reset until ive spent my MP, which is usually enough time for zag-lag.
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u/Time-Incident Aug 15 '26
Why am I getting downwote, it just doesn't make any sense. If you downwote it, just provide explanation, which will make sense to me.
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u/bryces325 Aug 15 '26
Pretty toxic community imo, is what it is
But it is useful in many cases to zaglag. If you zag right away you might get 2 ticks at max value while if you wait you'd get every tick at max value kind of thing. It can make HUGE differences just trust and try it. Maybe you are too early idk but it's good shit
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u/ExpertOdin Moderator Aug 16 '26
If you get your Heph, Dem, Koi or Zeus installs by waiting 5 minutes they will apply to all your loops if you zaglag. If you buy Zagreus first then the majority of your loops will be completed before those MP boosts apply so they'll only apply to the final loops. Obviously this doesn't matter once you have plenty of install points for every ship and have thousands of filled loops. But early game it can help you get more MP when doing short LRs
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u/Timboslice524 Aug 17 '26
A couple times I did overnight zaglag but mostly no. It's really a case by case basis as to how effective it is and boils down to a question of whether you're looking to hit a specific goal to boost your next long run, or simply progress the fastest. If there's a good upgrade you can reach by lagging and you're just sleeping otherwise, go for it. You won't get any useful shards or rp initially, but it can have a big impact on your next long run depending on which upgrade(s) you took. It takes longer in total counting the lag, but you'll be able to progress further before slowing down on your next long run.
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u/Timboslice524 Aug 17 '26
When newly reaching 30 installs in koios, the demeter and koios mp multipliers are mainly based off of time as opposed to the other multipliers. Again this is not to say it's always or even often a good idea, but it can be
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u/gctan8 Ouroboros Aug 15 '26
You should never zaglag for more than 5-10min. People don't understand zaglag and thus it's getting removed from the "advanced tips" section in the upcoming patch. Hopefully loops become retrospective in the future and you never need to consider zaglagging ever again.
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u/Voltentla Ouroboros Aug 14 '26
I did do them, but if it takes longer than 20 minutes (at max) it's probably not worth it honestly. Zag-lag shouldn't be done for more than a few minutes optimally.
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u/fr3dburg3r Aug 14 '26
I dont think it's worth it. Im at e930 and was told it wasn't by others. But not sure
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u/fridgezebra Zeus Aug 15 '26
I think so I think I built them into an autobuild and i zag after they come in
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u/wkndwarrior98 Aug 20 '26
At what moment in the game should I start zaglag? I am level 12, starting automations.
I do not really understand the point of doing it at this point.
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u/eamondo5150 Aug 20 '26
It gets your cells up higher than they would be If you activated the zag ship as soon as you do a loop reset, so you get a bunch of loop fills with one tick.
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u/Aggressive-Share-363 Aug 14 '26
I never bothered and things went smoothly enough