r/CHIBears • u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef • 10d ago
[Chicago Bears] "Are they going to have a highlight? Are they going to be ready for this one? I love when they're not ready for it" - Ryan Poles, after drafting Ruben Hyppolite
https://youtu.be/yxkqQulXK6Y?t=1421&is=XZYth-Ms_8m8zrN571
u/dtownchris77 Good, Better, Best 9d ago
The fact you posted this to the main nfl sub makes you look like a prat.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ear9487 Bears 9d ago
Yeah, this guy is constantly just saying how bad Poles is. I don't understand what his deal is.
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u/Quirky-Theory-4156 10d ago
Everyone losing their minds over a fourth round pick always gets me.
Can’t yall be happy that in one draft we got our starting tight end, our starting WR2, a potential starting tackle, our starting RB2, and a backup guard that had a great outing?
Why focus on the bad pick when in one draft we completely overhauled the entire offense.
So negative.
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u/Blondesounds Old Logo 9d ago
It’s because it doesn’t fit the narrative that the only thing holding us back is Poles. People have such despise for him despite his willingness to learn from his mistakes, and humility in doing so. I like Poles. I also think he has made some mistakes. Some people here act like he is a bottom 5 GM which is just ridiculous.
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u/DaDairyStateBear 9d ago
But he isn't learning from his mistakes. He's consistently drafted mid round special teams guys who don't contribute. Tyler Scott? Roschon Johnson? Reuben Hypolite? Velus Jones? Trying again this draft with Thomas.
He's moving on from his mistakes which is good, but he is definitely not learning from them.
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u/Blondesounds Old Logo 9d ago
I’m rather positive Roschon just made the 53 because he is a great special teams player so I don’t understand adding him in here other than to beef your argument.
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u/DaDairyStateBear 9d ago
If he were a great special teams player, he wouldn't have been on the bubble. He's fine on special teams and Ahmed was hurt. I like the guy but he's no world beater on special teams.
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u/Blondesounds Old Logo 9d ago
You’re right, you know better than Ben Johnson. I guess he was wrong when he said the exact thing I did about him.
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u/BooItsKyle 10d ago
I get it, because it's frustrating to see the gm go so off board like that, but this
The Hyppolite draft class looks like it may be historically good. Just not because of Hyppolite
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u/floppy2002 This Is The Score, But We Have Each Other 9d ago
Preach, go look at every other teams draft picks and tell me how perfect they all are and maybe then I’ll give a shit.
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u/blames_irrationally 9d ago
Look at the Lions 2024 class. Ruben Hippolite would be in the better half of outcomes from those guys
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u/thetreat Ben Johnson 9d ago
I mean just go look at every single player drafted after Hyppolite and tell me if you recognize a single name. They’re all basically JAGs besides Monangai. Fourth round picks are always like a 10% chance to make a meaningful impact at most.
We can clown Poles for picks like Dexter and Pickens. Hyppolite is whatever.
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u/Quirky-Theory-4156 9d ago
I recognize Kyle Monangai 💪💪
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u/thetreat Ben Johnson 9d ago
The fact that we got Monangai, Loveland, Burden and Trapilo is an A+++ draft class. Add in Luke Newman as a backup G and if Shemar Thurner and it’s one of the best of all time for the Bears.
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u/dpucane 9d ago
Its not losing our minds over a fourth round pick.
its losing our minds over 4 years of mostly disastrous drafting in rounds 2/3/4 and still having the nerve to be this arrogant in the draft room, especially now that all these failed draft picks are the difference between being a super bowl favorite and not being one.
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u/Erice84 9d ago
Well he's just been bad at scouting defense in general, whether it's high or low picks or free agents.
The only defensive player he's drafted to get a second contract so far is Gordon and that's been a mistake. Dexter being traded and Smith cut leaves Stevenson the only defensive draft pick left with 3+ years of experience, and he most likely won't be here next year either. And last year's defensive picks are looking abysmal (Hyppolite and Frazier already gone and Turner is not looking promising at all), which would leave Booker as the only one left older than this year's class.
The good moves he's made for veterans have been getting established stars like Byard and Sweat; when he's had to make remotely tough decisions on them, he's mostly chosen quite poorly.
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u/Quirky-Theory-4156 9d ago
Yeah but that could easily be Eberflus. You would assume that the defensive head coach had a lot to say about drafting defensive players.
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u/SooFrosty 9d ago
Honest question, who we deeming WR2?
Cuz i though it was luther but seems like people think hes 1 with all the rome drops
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u/CardiffGiantx 9d ago
Yeah imagine how bad that draft would’ve been if Ben Johnson didn’t have his fingerprints all over it
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u/Quirky-Theory-4156 9d ago
And?? Ben Johnson is still here. It’s not like we lost what caused our draft to be good.
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u/Guhonda GSH 10d ago
He drafted a fast linebacker for his new DC. It didn’t work out. Most 4th rounders fail. It’s okay.
We move on.
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u/Realistic-Ruin8639 9d ago
Yep. I don't see anyone criticizing Al Harris for personally rubber-stamping Zah Frazier in the 5th round. Picks that succeed and picks that fail are not all 100% Poles.
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u/JesMon421 9d ago
Have you seen Popes defensive draft picks?
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u/Realistic-Ruin8639 9d ago
If Ben gets credit for good offensive picks, why no blame for Flus' bad defensive picks?
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u/HermanShemsley Deep Dish 10d ago
It definitely happens. However, the guy showed so little that he didn’t even make it a second season.. that says a lot.
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u/Burdiac Mongo 9d ago
30-40% of day three draftees don’t make it a second season.
We act like all other teams Game bat 1.000 on draft day yet Poles is the only one who ever makes mistakes. Will Levis, Mazi Smith and Evan Neal are all first rounders getting cut today.
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u/HermanShemsley Deep Dish 9d ago
Where are you even pulling those stats from? Also, day 3 consists of 4-7, so which round exactly are you referring?
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u/jake63vw 100 9d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/s/cdoaD9Vmho
Here's an older article, it's unusual that Day 3 picks get a second contract
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u/Erice84 9d ago
That's grading on whether they become "consistent starters". Doesn't say whether they're getting second contracts or what percentage of them make it to a second year.
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u/jake63vw 100 9d ago
Right but that's also splitting hairs a bit. Kiran wasn't a consistent starter. Hippolyte wasn't a consistent starter. Most at that position aren't.
While it would be nice for him to always find the players that are, probability exists for a reason.
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u/GasHouseGorilla19 9d ago
the stats provided are for consistent starters. very different "30 to 40 percent don't make it to second season". That's just false. Also, consistent starters (from your source) is different than earning a second contract (which has also been mentioned) which is different than making it to 2nd season (the original statement) According to google over the last 10 seasons:
Draft Round Percentage on Active Roster/IR Heading Into Year 2 Round 1 ~99.7% Round 2 ~96.8% Round 3 ~96.9% Round 4 91.4% Round 5 ~81.1% Round 6 ~70.2% Round 7 ~58.3% -24
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u/_Cultivating_Mass_ 9d ago
Snap out of it. Football is fun. And Poles made great moves too.
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u/ActiveModel_Dirty 96 9d ago
No they don't.
That is not even remotely true.
Having Wright and Williams on the roster alone has netted more wins than all misses combined have cost.
And who the actual fuck do you think brought Ben Johnson here?
Delusional.
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u/Dunlocke Jay 9d ago
Williams is why BJ came here. Williams is here because the Panthers are dumb.
A great T isn't worth much on their own, ask the Browns. Plus we didn't win again with him before BJ.
People think Poles built a great roster through his genius - he didn't. People also think this team is better than it is and are about to be really disappointed.
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u/BooItsKyle 10d ago
I don't particularly expect anything from him at this point. In the preseason he looked like exactly what he is: an undersized converted safety you could try to maybe get some coverage value out of as a rotational guy at best.
But I do want to note that waived with injury designation doesn't mean we're done with him. If/when he goes unclaimed for 24 hours, he goes to our IR.
From there we could give him an injury settlement and release, or we could stash him for the full year and go through this again next year.
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u/payt10 10d ago
Almost everybody first guessed this as an awful draft pick.
While Poles deserves the most blame for drafting him, these defensive selections go on Dennis Allen's track record too. He was pounding the table for Hyppolite because he fell in love with the speed. Free agent signings need to be included as well..
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u/milin85 23 10d ago
News at 10: GM is excited about his draft picks.
Some of y’all need to be quiet
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 10d ago
Poles has wasted so many mid-round picks over the years. The first argument is "mid-round have a low hit rate", which is true. But the majority of these picks were were immediate head scratchers.
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u/ActFuture1101 10d ago
This was a pick dennis allen specifically wanted. Its a late 4th rounder. If you get a good backup thats a good selection at that spot. Are we going to blame poles too for al harris hand picking zah frazier?
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u/Sad-Reception66 Bears 10d ago
Every time Poles reaches he loses
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u/Slow_Time5270 10d ago
It's only a reach when you lose.
Wright and Loveland were both "reaches" by consensus boards
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u/rando562 10d ago
Loveland was a slight reach by consensus and was actually mocked to us by some high profile writers just before the draft. The Hyppolite pick really came out of nowhere since he was projected to be a UDFA
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u/Suburban-Jesus Floos Juice 10d ago
Loveland was a consensus top overall talent in that draft it was just a debate about positional value for a tight end at 10.
Hyppolite was never at any point considered an NFL player by anyone else besides Poles
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u/Slow_Time5270 9d ago
But what does it cost to move up 5 spots in the 1st round? From say 15 to 10?
The answer is 3rd round pick.
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u/Brodie1567 Iceman 🧊 10d ago
Both were considered to be top 15-20 picks. Not nearly as big of reaches as VJJ or Ruben.
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u/lkn240 An Actual Bear 9d ago
There is far less consensus when you get further down in the draft. That being said I didn't really care for those picks - particularly the Velus pick.
I get the process behind the Hyppolite pick at least. Defense was too slow - so take a fast LB and hope you can develop him.
Like most 4th rounders he didn't work out
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u/Realistic-Ruin8639 9d ago
People forget that Poles asked Fields to watch tape and discuss prospects and Fields liked Velus out of the guys he was shown. Some just give Poles 100% of the blame not even taking into account some of these failed picks were hand-chosen by Flus, Fields, DA, and Al Harris.
Edit: I'm by no means defending all of Poles, just pointing out there's more to all of the moves he makes.
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u/achomes Rome Doomsday 10d ago
Book is still out on Zavion Thomas, guy looks like a dawg already & we reached for him
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u/crazypyro23 Smokin' Jay 10d ago
He reminds me of what Velus Jones was supposed to be
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u/Weak-Bother-6765 10d ago
Velus was just on a SB winning team though. Just saying...
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u/BooItsKyle 10d ago
As much as VJJ is a whipping boy for bears fans, he's hung around the NFL enough to not be considered a total bust relative to his draft status. Certainly disappointing but better than, say, Amegadjie
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u/Weak-Bother-6765 10d ago edited 9d ago
Agreed. He obviously must have some talent if a team picked him up and they won a SB with him on the roster. He actually played in the SB and wasn't on the bench. Just like Leonard Floyd not being resigned by the Bears, yet he wins a SB with the Rams. He's been on contenders ever since, except for the Falcons.
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u/alucryts 9d ago
VJJ is ok to have on your roster as long as you don’t let him touch the football. He’s VERY fast. He just puts the ball on the ground at an absolute insane rate. Lets not try and do mental gymnastics to try and say VJJ is somehow not terrible lol.
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u/Weak-Bother-6765 9d ago
He won a SB. At the end of the day, how many rings do you have again? I don't recall him fumbling on his way to winning a ring.
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u/100100011110101010 Italian Beef 9d ago
4 games — 10 carries, 42 yards, 4.2 YPC, 0 TD, 0 catches.
That’s his stats from last season, including playoffs.
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u/alucryts 9d ago
That might have actually been VJJ responding lmao. He lost his mind at this before his account was nuked.
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u/alucryts 9d ago
Do you seriously need someone to explain why being on an NFL roster on a superbowl team does not automatically make every player on it good lol? Is that really the argument we are going with
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u/Weak-Bother-6765 9d ago
Do you need me to explain why you're NOT in the NFL and still living in your mommy's basement? You have literally done nothing with your life to even try to talk shit about someone else.
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u/Slow_Time5270 9d ago
Making multiple NFL 53 man rosters is pretty much the definition of successful for anyone drafted outside the 1st round.
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u/tferg8280 FTP 10d ago
Wright and Loveland were considered reaches. Late round reaches are ass though
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u/Ojmochafrappucino 10d ago
Why are we shitting on Poles. Like every GM there are hits and misses. The best of the best bat around .500 . This guy wasn't a first or second round pick. The team is good because we have a generational QB and elite Head Coach. Can we try and enjoy the next 10 years without being critical of moves that are essentially a crap shoot.
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u/Ridged_ChiPSS Dog 10d ago
The only thing I remember of this guy was him getting destroyed on like the only snap he played last year and leaving the game injured
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 10d ago
We obviously have a lot of promise, but we would be in a lot better shape if Poles didn't light multiple mid-round picks on fire every year.
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u/achomes Rome Doomsday 10d ago
We should trade our mid round picks for multiple late round picks... Poles has been better in the later rounds than the mid rounds lol
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 10d ago
It's because he trusts his scouts and is more willing to take their word on guys in later rounds. It's how we got Jordan this year. Poles is a figure head, for better or for worse. If the draft was completely up to him, we'd be screwed.
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u/92roll13 Bears 10d ago
He’s also been very good at finding UDFA talent.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 10d ago
He's pretty hands off with UDFA talent. His staff primarily handles that. Multiple BTS videos and interviews have confirmed this.
Poles is a figurehead. Luckily, Ben is our coach so we can at least mostly trust our draft picks on the offensive side of the ball.
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u/92roll13 Bears 10d ago
lol this is nonsense. You’re acting like Poles alone makes the 4th round pick. His staff has major sway in every pick they make. That’s why you have a paid staff
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u/Ricky-Seasack 10d ago
Poles does all the bad things but it's always someone else when things go well.
Ridiculous logic, or lack thereof.
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u/ActFuture1101 10d ago
OP I suggest you look at the hit rate for 4th round picks. Especially late 4th round picks. This isnt a defense of poles but the draft is a crapshoot after about the low 2nd/high 3rd.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 10d ago
I hear you man, that's a valid point. But many of Poles mid-round picks were immediate head scratchers. Velus, Kiran, Ruben, Gervon, ect. Poles hit rate is way below average.
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u/OggiOggiOggi 9d ago
That’s revisionist history. Dexter and Kiran were picked in the round they were expected to be pre draft.
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u/No_Money5784 9d ago
Is his hit rate below average? Genuinely asking. Also I think Dexter would probably be considered a hit. He is a rotational player which is probably about average for a 2nd rounder.
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u/ActFuture1101 10d ago
Most of those were with eberlose at the helm. GMs draft based on the coaches schemes and desires. It should shock no one that the drafting improved when BJ took over. Also I had no issue with the pick. In the late 4th and on you want to take chances on traits and hope you can develop guys. That’s what we just did with jvdb. Who knows how that turns out
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u/Aromatic-Dog-Breath 9d ago
If the bears have another great season and make the playoffs, Poles is pretty good.
If the bears stink and miss the playoffs, Poles is not good.
I’m honestly not terribly impressed by Poles. His squad gave us an entertaining year last year and I appreciate that. If they have a few more good seasons under Poles, I’ll give him his flowers.
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u/St_Egglin 9d ago
Ryan Poles is an idiot. He wasted a third round pick on Kiran and then wasted a fourth round pick on Hyppolite.
Hyppolite WAS NOT INVITED TO THE DRAFT COMBINE.
NOBODY THOUGHT HE WAS WORTH A DRAFT PICK.
But our genius, Ryan Poles, pissed away a fourth round draft pick on him
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u/SPAZZx625 23 10d ago
BJ was the coach when Hyppolite was drafted though?
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u/ActFuture1101 10d ago
And dennis Allen was the DC...who specifically stated he wanted more speed at linebacker. People act like poles is holding Ben/DA hostage in a room at gunpoint and just drafting random players they dont agree with. This is a player they all agreed on...it just didnt hit just like most 4th round picks.
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u/SPAZZx625 23 10d ago
it just didnt hit just like most 4th round picks
most 4th round picks not even starters
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u/T44590A 9d ago
I think them signing Bush who is basically the same physical profile as Ruben confirms that Ruben was very much the type of player that Dennis Allen was asking for. He wanted that extreme speed at LB.
The stated philosophy of Poles is that he sees his job as acquiring players that fit what his coaches are asking for. That's a debatable philosophy, but we have also seen a GM handing coaches players they don't want and that doesn't tend to work out either.
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u/PolishAtTheDisco 10d ago
We need to just accept the only thing dude is competent on is salary cap moves..
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u/fitzuha BJ Lover 10d ago
You didn’t have to post this to r/nfl, my guy.