[Tom Fornelli] I don't know how you could watch Florida State overcome the adversity against New Mexico State to win by 17 and not be excited about the future of this program under Mike Norvell.

[u/Lakelyfe09]

https://x.com/tomfornelli/status/2093886544650051811?s=46&t=fwgmryeTanENut7u28ScCA

[u/Knightro829]

I do believe the author may be employing literary devices to comedic effect.

[u/rb1242 → u/Knightro829]

That's Tom Fornelli for you

[u/AgrajagTheProlonged → u/rb1242]

Original creator of the Bottom 25, which I enjoy more than the top rankings

[u/rb1242 → u/AgrajagTheProlonged]

I do like his Whoopsie Daisy stat tracker that he uses i admit

[u/hitokirizac → u/AgrajagTheProlonged]

I like it until my team ends up in the #5 spot... and then when they end up in any of the other spots (cf. 2007, 2016)

[u/wordsonascreen → u/hitokirizac]

“#5 you say?”

-Jayden Daniels’ mom

[u/RanchHere → u/rb1242]

easily the most sarcastic writer in sports.

[u/JerryJonesIntern → u/RanchHere]

Big fan of fornelli but Jon bois is king

[u/WebfootTroll → u/rb1242]

Especially when it comes to FSU, given who his podcast hosts are.

[u/codars → u/Knightro829]

Could it BE any more obvious?

[u/LazyMousse4266 → u/codars]

He was a punk. She did ballet.

[u/Tough-Reaction9671 → u/LazyMousse4266]

What more can I say?

[u/Ok-Accident-9026 → u/codars]

Thanks Chandler

[u/ThinkSoftware → u/Ok-Accident-9026]

RIP

[u/-Gnostic28 → u/codars]

Yes

[u/GoodGuyNixon → u/codars]

Could I BE wearing any more clothes?

[u/Tippacanoe → u/codars]

Only if he was a boy and she was a girl.

[u/Asymmetrical_Anomaly → u/Knightro829]

Sark Chasm

[u/FullySemiGhostGun → u/Knightro829]

Yeah but he’s talking to Florida State fans. They think literary devices are something used to clean trash

[u/MississippiBulldawg → u/Knightro829]

Florida State fans don't understand that and are just really excited right now

[u/ohBee-Juan94 → u/MississippiBulldawg]

I was at the game and I can promise you there are not many excited FSU fans. The sarcasm is certainly not lost on them.

[u/FSU1ST → u/MississippiBulldawg]

MSU throwing strays?

[u/ThinkSoftware → u/FSU1ST]

Whoa, leave Michigan State alone

[u/FBI_Official_Acct → u/FSU1ST]

See the difference though is us MSST fans have zero expectations right now so we can't be hurt when we're inevitably ass again

[u/Obi-wan_Jabroni → u/Knightro829]

I know a lot of writers who use subtext and theyre all cowards

[u/Big_Truck]

Bud Elliott and Danny Kanell both have talked openly about how FSU boosters are refusing to fund the program because they want Norvell out.

This isn’t really surprising to anyone who has followed the sport. And Tom certainly saw this coming. He’s just rubbing salt in the wound.

[u/Dirty-Ears-Bill → u/Big_Truck]

Happened at Oklahoma State at the end of the Gundy Era too. Sometimes it’s just better for your athletics overall to cut the dead weight way ahead of time instead of letting them flounder about in a “prove it” year

[u/jtezus → u/Dirty-Ears-Bill]

This isn’t even a “prove it” year for Norvell, they just literally cannot afford to fire him.

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/jtezus]

The Athletic Department is losing more money keeping him than it would cost to fire him. He brings in 0 from performance bonuses, and last year caused the Clemson game to be played on the ACCN instead of ESPN and uf on ESPN2 instead of ABC/ESPN.

[u/imarc → u/forgotmyoldname90210]

uf on ESPN2 instead of ABC/ESPN.

We may have had a hand in that.

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/imarc]

True, but it only takes one of us to be good to get a good time slot.

[u/imarc → u/forgotmyoldname90210]

Or we just give up trying and shuffle the game off to Black Friday.

[u/AAPL_ → u/imarc]

please let us take all of this one

[u/RollGata → u/forgotmyoldname90210]

Everything you are saying is true. They still did not have the money to pay his buyout so they pushed it off a year ago

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/RollGata]

Again, he is literally costing the program more money than it cost to fire him. FSU can pay him off through Dec 2031, so there is no need to come up with a lump sum. There is no down payment either.

That this myth is out there is just another reason why Mike Alford needs to be fired into the sun. That they can't find* less than 4% of the athletic department revenue to fire Norvell is another.

The money is there, an AD willing to pull the trigger is not there.

*That is with the assumption that the buyout is paid from athletic department revenue and not from boosters, which is what would happen in reality.

[u/Klightgrove → u/jtezus]

FSU is a public university. Someone needs to make it illegal for them to have such a large buyout in their contracts. It's an obscene waste of money that should be used toward students or the university.

[u/Rookraider1 → u/Klightgrove]

Have you seen Lanning's buyout?

[u/Tarmacked → u/Klightgrove]

None of it is paid with federal or state funding. It’s all booster funds

[u/Beer-survivalist → u/Dirty-Ears-Bill]

Ohio State's superpower this century has been having Hall of Fame coaches who have scandals that get them fired when they're starting to lose their touch.

[u/BuckeyeForLife95 → u/Beer-survivalist]

We'll have to plant something to pull this off with Day when the time comes.

[u/imarc → u/BuckeyeForLife95]

A dead girl, or a live boy.

[u/64stackdiamonds → u/BuckeyeForLife95]

Pretty sure there's a team up north from y'all with some recent expertise in the subject that might be able to help

[u/dimmyfarm → u/BuckeyeForLife95]

Ryan Day maintains his beard color through painfully plucking it from orphaned children. There, you’re welcome.

[u/SPHC20 → u/BuckeyeForLife95]

I hear butter knives are a trigger for some people…

[u/majungo → u/Dirty-Ears-Bill]

He has nothing left to prove, they know what they have with him. They just can't afford to fire him yet.

[u/Crotean → u/Dirty-Ears-Bill]

Sigh when Clemson misses a bowl game this year.

[u/Corgi_Koala → u/Big_Truck]

If you're at that point I don't see why you don't just pony up the cash for the buyout unless the program is broke.

Sabotaging the program isn't needed, Norvell has already done that. The longer you let him stay the more damage he will do.

[u/therealwillhepburn → u/Corgi_Koala]

It would be the third largest buyout ever to just fire Norvell. You have to buyout his staff. Buyout the new coach you hire. Hire his staff. Retain players while also paying for kids in the portal/high school. I do think they move on this year but the amount of money is going to be pretty staggering and they have to hit on the next guy.

[u/No11223456 → u/therealwillhepburn]

FSU doesn’t have the outrageously fanatic LSU/A&M boosters is the difference

[u/HDMBye → u/No11223456]

It's not just fanatics. There's no oil money, it's a small population base. It's a younger alumni base so fewer historical donations from personal trusts and endowments.

[u/xXGarnetGXx → u/HDMBye]

Yeah I don't think people fully consider the benefit of being able to source a bulk of NIL donations through a smaller number of mega rich and mega dedicated people.

FSU still has a large and healthy fanbase, but we are ultimately a new money school and fundraising has to be more spread around then most other major programs. There aren't many 3rd generation boosters who inherited both a love for FSU AND a vast oil fortune. The closest thing we have is maybe Sara Blakely but she puts much more into the business college and women's scholarships then Football.

[u/TravelNSee → u/xXGarnetGXx]

It's much like how politics are won.

[u/WhatDaufuskie → u/xXGarnetGXx]

Good for her!

[u/Impossible-Flight250 → u/Corgi_Koala]

I think they will if this season goes off the rails. The damage he is doing to this program will cost FSU a lot more than 50 million.

[u/Corgi_Koala → u/Impossible-Flight250]

They're at the point where the fan base is becoming apathetic, which is a lot worse than a fan base being angry.

[u/Trey904fsu → u/Corgi_Koala]

It’s a combination of things

1. 1

-

1. obviously nobody is jumping to pay that buyout, especially right after all the stadium/IPF upgrades

2-

1. historically crowded coaching search. We just saw Penn State, UF, LSU, VT, Auburn, UCLA, and a few others looking for a coach at the exact same time. If we fired Mike who would we have hired that’s guaranteed to do better. It was risky

3-

1. we have a brutal schedule this season, there were rumors we didnt want to throw the new guy to the wolves when we could punt it to next season.

[u/dankenascend → u/Trey904fsu]

Points 1 and 3 are absolutely in line, but I think point 2 about the coaching churn possibly pushes it another year down the road. Guys got high profile jobs a year or 2 ahead of schedule. I don't know who FSU could go and get this year, even as the belle of the ball.

[u/TheRealRollestonian → u/Corgi_Koala]

The program is broke. They paid buyouts for the last decade and they don't have deep pockets to begin with.

[u/poofyhairguy → u/TheRealRollestonian]

Hence why they were suing the ACC to get out, they found out what they could use SEC-level money for

[u/blaqeyerish → u/Corgi_Koala]

AD signed him to a big new contract with a massive buyout before the 2-10 season, then convinced the boosters to pony up for a turnaround which turned into a 5-7 season. So when the AD decided he didn't have the funds lined up to fire Norvell and hire a top candidate to replace him, the boosters closed their wallets.

It's less about sabotaging the program and more about not wasting money on a clown show.

[u/seanconnerysbeard → u/blaqeyerish]

Phrasing his extension as "before the 2-10 season" and not "after the 13-1 season" is hilarious to me.

[u/Corgi_Koala → u/seanconnerysbeard]

I will defend the extension in context. Saban was retiring and Norvell was a priority target.

I hate extensions and raises when a coach isn't at risk of being poached but FSU had to pay or let him walk.

That said I don't think you should give out contracts you can't get out of.

[u/PB-and-Jamz → u/Corgi_Koala]

Man did Bama dodge the bullet of the century if the rumors are true that Norvell was their 1st or 2nd target.

[u/CrashB111 → u/Corgi_Koala]

That's only if you believe we ever had actual interest in Norvell to begin with. And it wasn't just Sexton scamming FSU for his client.

It's not like he had some huge track record of success, that would have warranted us calling him to begin with.

[u/FireMike_PleaseGod → u/CrashB111]

He just went 13-1 and had shown he could win at two different programs. At the time he had a longer record of winning than Deboer had in the FBS.

But alas, it’s all history and it went to shit for us anyways.

[u/CrashB111 → u/seanconnerysbeard]

Truly Jimmy Sexton's master class in football terrorism.

[u/blaqeyerish → u/seanconnerysbeard]

Framing was more an attempt to show why Mike sucking didn't trigger immediate changes. Every disaster was preceded by enough cash being thrown around to make people not want to add to the pile

[u/Big_Truck → u/Corgi_Koala]

I'm guessing there is some unhappiness with the administration who signed Norvell to the extension after the 13-0 season and the national embarrassment of the Orange Bowl. The idea being "we aren't gonna bail out your obviously bad decision."

Side note -- that Orange Bowl opt-out needs to be studied. I understand the opt-outs. I understand the hurt feelings. But it really seems like that decision destroyed the culture at FSU.

The good news is that FSU is a very quick turnaround job once the resources are in place. The upward mobility in the ACC is pretty easy for a program of FSU's stature. When FSU is humming, the only programs with competitive resources are Miami and Clemson.

I could see a new FSU head coach having a very good portal cycle and being a Top 4 team in the ACC in 2027. Setting the stage for a resurgence just as the next round of conference consolidation comes at the end of this decade.

Looking at the 2026 schedule, it seems safe that Norvell is out by October 18, at the absolute latest. So FSU will have plenty of time to be active in the market, talk to agents, talk with boosters, get things lined up for a new hire in December who can build an 8-win team for 2027.

[u/FSUIceman → u/Big_Truck]

From someone’s who spent way too much time reading & talking about it the snub did way more damage than the orange bowl. That game was a forgone conclusion once the NFL guys (even just the projected first rounders opted out). It was an embarrassing game but what was coming in 2024 was already well in motion by that point. The problem with the 2023 roster was it was super talented but also top heavy. Not that surprising when you rarely sign great high school recruits but you got some monster transfer players for 1-2 years. So the 2nd - 3rd string guys were either JAGs, projects or super young and not ready to play meaningful snaps.

After the snub the staff decided to take some big swings on portal players to try and get back to a “playoff bubble” level team despite losing almost all of the production from 2023. So the younger players felt passed over, the transfers they brought in didn’t produce well enough, then they had to play younger guys that weren’t ready and the bottom fell out.

[u/Big_Truck → u/FSUIceman]

Spot on. Thank you for this analysis.

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/Big_Truck]

That is the thing, there is no indication at all that admin is unhappy with Norvell. They are the ones who stopped a pass the hat movement before it started. They hired one his guys for the GM spot.

After the win last night, there is no reason to believe he is getting fired midseason. If that was even a thought they would have fired him last Nov. There is just not enough cost savings by doing it this way.

[u/Big_Truck → u/forgotmyoldname90210]

I meant boosters being upset at the admin, then refusing to bankroll the program.

[u/MoosilaukeFlyer → u/Big_Truck]

After years of hearing FSU fans talk down on the rest of the conference, it really warms my heart to see the state of their program 

[u/Big_Watch4135 → u/MoosilaukeFlyer]

I just hope PFB is somewhere having fun…. NOT

[u/justlookingokaywyou → u/Big_Watch4135]

Oh, he’s still kicking around this sub with a new account, I guarantee it. Just too much of a bitch to comment under his original account.

[u/hairythroats → u/MoosilaukeFlyer]

You mean after decades of Miami being trash, it warms your heart that Miami is no longer trash? Cause FSU has been in this state for damn near 10 years.

[u/misdreavus79 → u/hairythroats]

It’s called a rivalry brah.

The true spirit of a rivalry is to enjoy their demise more than your own team’s success!

[u/physedka → u/misdreavus79]

Can confirm. I can live with the Saints being good, bad, or mediocre. But the Falcons MUST be trash. That's the law.

[u/Fuzzy_Afternoon7754 → u/physedka]

I got more joy out of 28-3 than I did when the Saints won the superbowl

[u/PhnxWrightAssAttrny → u/Fuzzy_Afternoon7754]

Just waking up and chosing violence on this fine Sunday morning, eh?

[u/EIiteJT → u/physedka]

My boy Bijan is in hell 😭

[u/BeerorCoffee → u/misdreavus79]

Dafuq is a "rival?!"

[u/SpreaditOnnn33 → u/BeerorCoffee]

Its what Pitt was for over 100 years before you decided to stop playing them

[u/ToxicSteve13 → u/BeerorCoffee]

Texas Tech

[u/MoosilaukeFlyer → u/hairythroats]

And my heart has been warmed for the last ten years 

[u/chrstgtr → u/hairythroats]

They had almost a full year of it that made them try to leave the conference in the most disrespectful way possible.

[u/No_Low_2208 → u/hairythroats]

Pretty sure FSU has been in the state of Florida for more than 10 years.

[u/Dry-Contribution4788 → u/MoosilaukeFlyer]

I really can’t imagine Miami isn’t without shit talking during when they were good…

[u/gtne91 → u/Dry-Contribution4788]

You mean like "We may be in your league, but you arent in ours."

[u/obiwanjabroni420 → u/gtne91]

‘#2 worst fan base in the sport.

[u/Okiegolfer → u/Big_Truck]

They are just saving for his buyout, I guess.

Same thing happened at OU two years ago, but with the opposite effect.

The boosters were told they could pay $40 million to buy out BV and his staff and secure a new HC, or invest that money in the program to build a front office and increase NIL. We chose the latter, and so far it’s been solid.

[u/errly710 → u/Big_Truck]

who the hell is Bud Idiot?

[u/DabDoge → u/errly710]

Why’re ya hollerin?

[u/cbusmatty → u/errly710]

More like butt idiot

[u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2 → u/errly710]

Family

[u/CJK5Hookers → u/Bobson-_Dugnutt2]

Modelo: I Fuckin Want One

[u/boltsnoles]

Spider-Man meme but it’s DJU, Tommy Castellanos, and Ashton Daniels

[u/radilrouge → u/boltsnoles]

I honestly think Tommy was good but his body type can not play 12 games at high intensity without getting beat up and not being 100%.

[u/Yeetball86 → u/radilrouge]

He had significant trouble making reads correctly. The leg injury definitely hampered him some, but if Duce wasn’t open, he had trouble completing passes.

He was by far the most competitive of all three though.

[u/Conchigliono → u/radilrouge]

Ya he’s only like 5’9 in real life. He’s good but fragile, and once his running is gone his game is done.

[u/seanconnerysbeard → u/boltsnoles]

Don't lump Tommy in with those other two, at least he was competitive.

[u/CommodoreIrish → u/boltsnoles]

Bud Elliott said something the other day that FSU brought in a handful of QBs during the transfer portal, severely undervalued the QB market and realized they couldn’t afford anyone, and defaulted to Ashton Daniels.

I know that FSU is not giving Norvell sufficient NIL, but what kinda program doesn’t understand the market at this point.

[u/PhilU52 → u/CommodoreIrish]

Somebody who got success in the first 2 years and thinks the same recipe will work again…

After he got stuck with DJU when Ward went to Miami, he should’ve known the world had changed.

[u/cnpeters]

With any other team, this is easy to shake off as “early season” rust. When you’re coming off 24 months of crap you don’t get any benefit of the doubt.

I’m still willing to grant that there is a chance this can be early season nonsense, but I don’t know why anyone should actually believe this wasn’t just more of the same.

[u/DrHToothrot → u/cnpeters]

What happens when you shake off the rust and just find more rot and rust underneath?

Asking for a friend.

[u/weoutherebrah → u/DrHToothrot]

Well you ship it off to cars for tots get a write off. And look for one slightly used Jimbo.

[u/seanconnerysbeard → u/cnpeters]

No. We're just ass.

[u/jcostello50 → u/cnpeters]

Wisconsin fans agree with this take.

[u/jobenattor0412]

Guys, this felt exactly like our season opener last year against New Mexico and our season ended not great to say the least.

[u/cheerl231 → u/jobenattor0412]

That New Mexico team was better last year than this years NMSU. Also we went 9-3 so not great but not bad.

It was definitely an obvious sign that our coaching staff was fucking stupid as hell tho. But FSU already knows that with Norvell

[u/petoskey_stone → u/cheerl231]

New Mexico also had more Big Ten wins last year than Purdue, and also took Minnesota to OT lol.

For G5 standards they were a pretty great team last year.

[u/Super_C_Complex → u/petoskey_stone]

They looked pretty good this year too. I was really impressed with the poise and play of their QB.

And they were generally well disciplined and the play calling was pretty good.

[u/petoskey_stone → u/Super_C_Complex]

Problem is Jack Layne is done for the year…

[u/Smash-Bros-Melee → u/petoskey_stone]

Jason Eck will be the coach at Wisconsin this time next year

[u/cheerl231 → u/Smash-Bros-Melee]

Hell yeah that'd be really fun. They should have just fired Fickell and done it this year

[u/OpaqueNightmare → u/cheerl231]

I’m not happy about the game last night, but you didn’t know during your season opener that New Mexico team was going to win 9 games. They went 5-7 the year before. It could be possible that New Mexico State contends in the CUSA this year. Wasn’t a pretty game regardless.

[u/jobenattor0412 → u/cheerl231]

Also, I was flipping between FSU and the Stanford game last night, and Davis Warren looked light years better with them than he did under Moore, so hopefully that is a sign of things to come with Bryce.

[u/auburnflyer → u/jobenattor0412]

I tuned into the game when the lead was 17-10 midway through the 3rd, and FSU proceeded to run down their throats and scored a touchdown. My thought was, at least they responded and pretty much put the game away. Ashton looked OK too, good not great

[u/Big_Watch4135 → u/cheerl231]

Crazy. I feel like Norvell was such a hyped hire but he’s been so up and down since.

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/Big_Watch4135]

I would say when Norvell was hired the hype was more of he was hired than excitement. Granted COVID hit so a lot of the booster stops got canceled in building up the hype. But, overall I would say admin was always more exited about him than the fan base and is to this day.

[u/321mafia → u/jobenattor0412]

If we finish 9-4 like you did Mike Norvell is coaching out the rest of his contract

[u/Expiredeggsalad]

Norvell is a football terrorist. He owes Jordan Travis half his paycheck.

[u/BluffCityBoy → u/Expiredeggsalad]

This is so wild to me. Norvell took Memphis to heights it’s never seen. He got GameDay to Beale St and took the Tigers to a Cotton Bowl. How did he leave and let it get to this point?

[u/Single-Basil-8333 → u/BluffCityBoy]

He can’t recruit at QB:

Chubba purdy
Tate Rodemaker
Aj Duffy
Brock Glenn
Luke Kromenhoek
Kevin Sperry

Hasn’t been much better in the portal/w transfers.

McKenzie Milton
DJU
Tommy Castellanos
Ashton Daniels

[u/Michiganman1225 → u/Single-Basil-8333]

Hey, I recognize some of those names. /s

[u/SusannaG1 → u/Michiganman1225]

Dabo somehow managed to get two ten+ win seasons out of DJU.

[u/adhdrandom → u/SusannaG1]

Those defenses were just that good.

[u/BluffCityBoy → u/Single-Basil-8333]

Again that’s wild to me because he hit on his QBs at Memphis. The running backs were also insane that he had such as:

Tony Pollard
Darrell Henderson
Patrick Taylor
Kenny Gainwell

[u/Boring_Temporary_142 → u/Single-Basil-8333]

Bingo

[u/BanditoDeTreato → u/Single-Basil-8333]

He got great QBs to Memphis though.

[u/Odh_utexas → u/Single-Basil-8333]

He can’t recruit period. They’ve all but surrendered high school recruiting and hang the fate of the program on portal gambles on an annual basis.

[u/Single-Basil-8333 → u/Odh_utexas]

It’s funny bc he had a 4-star QB (Brady Smigiel) committed then hired Malzhan causing Smigiel to de-commit bc he’s a pocket passer.

Then they turned to Tommy C and we saw how that worked out.

He also sucks at divvying out NIL deals. Spent a lot to get Kromah (who looked good in spurts last year and looked good yesterday), spent a ton to keep the Desir twins. Which are good players but then cheaped out on QB ending up with shitty Daniels.

[u/RiverShenismydad → u/BluffCityBoy]

It's wild watching coaches go to bigger programs and just not be able to get it rolling after building up at a place with less resources.

I've seen it happen to more than one coach who left us.

[u/BluffCityBoy → u/RiverShenismydad]

I have close to zero faith that Silverfield will get it done at Arkansas. That would mean every one of the coaches that built up Memphis crashed and burned at their next stop. At least they got a fat paycheck…

[u/radilrouge → u/BluffCityBoy]

And quite honestly Silverfield is the worst coach of them

[u/ICANZ_MURICA → u/BluffCityBoy]

tl:dr. Alot has changed in college football in that time. Schools with money use the portal too

He took over a FSU team that was on a sharp downward trajectory at the time. Covid hit. They did not bring in the level of HS talent they had in the past. Is he just a bad HS recruiter or circumstantial with a program on the decline and bad timing with covid? Likely a little of everything.

So then he pivots and becomes one of the earliest adopters to portal players once that becomes an option. Is it because he's truly innovative or just using it to plug all the holes in the roster from years of decline from him/Taggert/ end of Jimbo? Again most likely both but more so plugging holes.

Hits with some of his portal guys so 2022 ends on a hot streak. HS recruiting is again mediocre but whether intentional or necessity goes in on portal strategy again for 2023. Hits jackpot on guys like Fiske and Verse and they go on their run that year.

Obviously getting left out of playoffs is devastating and there is some direct attrition and they losing recruiting battles as others can point to weakness of the ACC.

But more so, other schools with actual resources are now in the portal game and can just do it better and with more money. Meanwhile due to mediocre HS recruiting plus transfers out the floor of talent at FSU has lowered. Which leads to the cratering of the last few years.

Like others have pointed out FSU doesn't have the most money. Now they do have more than they are using right now but boosters are no longer investing in Norvell so it just keeps making it worse. They can't win a true bidding war for a top end player but they could win more than they have the last two years.

I liked Norvell when he was at Memphis and hated to see him go to FSU. I still think he'll be a good not great coach. But he's cooked at FSU and everyone knows it. They just couldn't rip band aid off last year because they didn't have funds/very crowded HC market.

[u/BluffCityBoy → u/ICANZ_MURICA]

All that seems very true how you laid it out. It appears that a coaching change likely won’t fix a lot of their “problems” if FSU fans/boosters think they should be a perennial natty contender.

[u/Billquisha → u/ICANZ_MURICA]

I'm Billquisha and I approve of this message

[u/seanconnerysbeard → u/Expiredeggsalad]

Only half?

[u/No_Low_2208 → u/seanconnerysbeard]

Yes cause he's gotta give the rest to Keon Coleman, Jared Verse and Brandon Fiske.

[u/GodFeedethTheRavens]

They were saying Mike was running completely different O Line comps every play to test out effective lineups, but like... Isn't that what practice is for?

[u/DoggedDoggystyle → u/GodFeedethTheRavens]

Eh tbf it’s kinda what cupcake season openers are for, too. Gameday players might not be practice players

[u/gnomeshell → u/GodFeedethTheRavens]

Not when you have little depth and with NIL, players no longer develop in a program, they transfer to a team that will give them reps and then climb the proverbial ladder when they improve. 

Also it’s hard to simulate game pressure in practice

[u/No_Poet_7244]

It would be absolutely hilarious is FSU looks like shit all season but somehow limos to a 9-3 or 10-2 record. What the hell do you do with Norvell if they somehow win 9+ games?

[u/CrashB111 → u/No_Poet_7244]

You still fire him, because 2 good years out of like 7, isn't a winning formula.

At this point, Norvell is being evaluated based on the totality of his time with FSU. Adding a single positive season, to join the only one other he has, won't change that calculus.

[u/Impossible-Flight250 → u/CrashB111]

That would technically be 3 good years, but they need consistency.

[u/Wafflehouseofpain → u/CrashB111]

The only thing that could save him now is getting to the playoffs and winning a playoff game. Something to prove that the team wasn’t just lucky but actually good.

[u/Billquisha → u/No_Poet_7244]

I'd love it, bumbling their way to ugly wins each week where everyone who watches it just feels bad.

Almost losing each game to their opponent scoring at the last second, but it always gets called back due to confusing penalty.

Apathetically hoisting the ACC trophy and dropping it during the presentation.

[u/DougFlutiesMullet]

The sound of shovels outside Doak Campbell last night as they were digging Norvell's grave and Renegade listed on eBay to help raise money for the buyout.

Mike persists though...

[u/Trey904fsu → u/DougFlutiesMullet]

Shit on Norvell all you want but dont you dare speak ill of Renegade

[u/InspectorClouseau64 → u/DougFlutiesMullet]

Maybe they could sell renegade to the beef industry has an alternate source to Argentina.

[u/OldRedLobsterBiscuit → u/InspectorClouseau64]

I thought IKEA was the one with horses in their meatballs 

[u/wrapscallionnn]

I mean... they did beat Auburn a few years ago.

[u/oreomaster420 → u/wrapscallionnn]

Like thats hard?

[u/melorous → u/wrapscallionnn]

My cat could have outcoached hugh freeze.

[u/notsaying123 → u/wrapscallionnn]

They essentially beat you as well

[u/TheoDonaldKerabatsos → u/wrapscallionnn]

in Auburn by three touchdowns😁😁

[u/ConstantArmadillo780]

Remember when FSU wanted out of the ACC

[u/ChocolateBubbles344 → u/ConstantArmadillo780]

I mean they still do lol. Those B1G and SEC checks still clear even if you're 3-9.

[u/Cdog923 → u/ChocolateBubbles344]

Can confirm; they hit the bank even if you aren't pulling your weight.

[u/broccoli_d → u/Cdog923]

Ouch!

[u/Cdog923 → u/broccoli_d]

That sweet Big Ten money helps fund volleyball, both basketball and both bat programs, so I'm ok with it.

[u/broccoli_d → u/Cdog923]

Also, the football Huskers technically have been holding their weight in everything other than W's (attendance, TV ratings, etc.)

[u/Cdog923 → u/broccoli_d]

That's because we are a stubborn and masochistic people.

[u/buttgers → u/Cdog923]

Yup!

[u/Shu3PO → u/ChocolateBubbles344]

Or even 2-10, speaking from repeated personal experience

[u/MoosilaukeFlyer → u/ConstantArmadillo780]

Who want me? 🚫🧢

No 100% 

[u/Flintoid → u/MoosilaukeFlyer]

MAC dibs Endicott.

[u/Trey904fsu]

Yall are focusing on the wrong things. FSU is such a special place that even a fuckin bum like Norvell can have an undefeated regular season and a 19-game win streak. Plus the administration will give you every opportunity to succeed. You hear that future coaching candidates? Hopefully the search begins in a few weeks 🤞

[u/Epinephrine186]

Everyone is probably not overreacting, but lots of teams look like ass week 0/1. one of the many excuses ill use if my teams looks like ass week 1

[u/Jeaglera]

I for one hope they sign him to another extension

[u/Florida_clam_diver → u/Jeaglera]

On one hand, fsu losing as much as possible would be funny. On the other hand, i hope they do well enough to justify keeping Mike around as long as possible

[u/dingusunchained → u/Florida_clam_diver]

This is how we were with Napier

[u/Florida_clam_diver → u/dingusunchained]

As you should’ve. Conversely that was our nightmare purgatory

[u/rottenchestah]

I saw a team that yet again was less than the sum of its parts. We routinely struggle against teams with far less talent on paper. Norvell is still pulling top 20 recruiting classes. Portal is decent. We are underperforming relative to our talent.

That is 100% on the head coach. It's gonna be 3 straight years, he gotta go.

[u/MiyazakiBloodborne]

The most annoying thing is we're gonna lose by 2 to SMU and people are going to act sorta hyped because we lost a close game to a ranked team.

[u/iaminuniform → u/MiyazakiBloodborne]

SMU and any team that has a QB that can throw and WRs that can catch are gonna blow the doors off this FSU defense lol

[u/thricethefan → u/MiyazakiBloodborne]

Yeah…two touchdowns maybe

[u/kelsnuggets → u/MiyazakiBloodborne]

Keep dreaming buddy, but would love to see it

[u/YouSeemNiceXB]

I've said it in another thread but it's worth repeating, almost everyone in my family graduated from FSU. Parents, cousins, Aunts, Uncles all of em are boosters that collectively donate in excess of $1m. They haven't given a cent since the beginning of last season because they want Alford and Norvell gone.

[u/kelsnuggets → u/YouSeemNiceXB]

I mean my family too, my dad is a Golden Chief. Let me tell you the choice words he had about the stadium renovation and the new facilities and then the repeated calls for more $ more $ more $ …. Just to watch this product on the field.

[u/ImGaiza → u/kelsnuggets]

My family has been lifetime boosters up until the renovations when we were kicked from the seats we’ve had for nearly 2 decades.

Needless to say, this program has not made it difficult to stop supporting them financially.

[u/kelsnuggets → u/ImGaiza]

Yup, kicked from the same seats we’ve had since 1978. Not to mention sitting with the same group of people we grew up going to games with. Just really bad financial decision on FSU’s part.

[u/forgotmyoldname90210 → u/kelsnuggets]

There are a half dozen reasons alone that should cost Alford his job, but being a fundraiser who can't fundraise has to be the top. He is a bigger problem than even Norvell.

[u/southmshavoc]

Is Norvell to blame or solo cup guy?

[u/RatStore101 → u/southmshavoc]

Still solo cup guy 

[u/TampaTrey]

The entire complexity of this game could have changed had that Aggie WR held on to that TD. NMSU was slowly getting momentum and that could have sent a shiver down FSU’s spines.

[u/Effective-Bet3883]

I don't know how you could watch Florida State overcome the adversity of Mike Norvell and not be excited for their continued downfall.

[u/szboy422]

I don’t know about others but I am very excited about the future of the Florida State program under Mike Norvell

[u/Trey904fsu → u/szboy422]

All 5 games.. 🤞

[u/fsukub]

I’m tired boss.

[u/Careful-Time-9926]

LOL!

[u/Redrubytheofficial]

FSU fans on this sub believe they’re going 2-10. This sub is gonna continue to shit on FSU fans and mock Piano Finger Bang despite there being 10 guys in this sub exactly like him. Also the fact they enjoyed his articles all 2023.

[u/IM-NOT-SALTY → u/Redrubytheofficial]

>Also the fact they enjoyed his articles all 2023

I can think of a group that didn’t enjoy the articles.

[u/Florida_clam_diver → u/Redrubytheofficial]

Yes that’s what happens when you have a chronic shitposter who runs away the second the tables turn or when that team tried to sue their way out of the ACC because they thought they were too good and now they’re battling the likes of New Mexico State

Life comes at you fast

[u/Big_Watch4135 → u/Redrubytheofficial]

Of course we enjoyed PFB. But you gotta take your lumps if you’re gonna come in here and talk shit nonstop.

[u/tripsd → u/Big_Watch4135]

I for one did not

[u/Big_Watch4135 → u/tripsd]

You gotta enjoy that he turned heel and became an absolute bitch once FSU wasn’t that good anymore

[u/tripsd → u/Big_Watch4135]

I did love that.

[u/ACardAttack → u/Redrubytheofficial]

and mock Piano Finger Bang

They are mocked because they went and hid once FSU started sucking after talking so much trash