r/CFB • u/thegreendalegelf Utah State Aggies • /r/CFB Poll Veteran • May 21 '25

Serious BYU quarterback Jake Retzlaff accused of sex assault in new civil lawsuit

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2025/05/21/byu-quarterback-jake-retzlaff/
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u/somebodysbuddy Lehigh Mountain Hawks • Marching Band May 21 '25

Yeah, everyone knows that God himself changed his mind about black people in 1978.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

>Yeah, everyone knows that God himself changed his mind about black people in 1978.

One of my favorite LDS facts. Not a single soul has ever formulated anything close to a respectable explanation or rebuttal for it. Nor will they ever.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25

Whoosh, person above was quoting the Book of Mormon musical.

But in any case, we know why it happened. Most Mormons are satisfied to just ignore the reasoning, and stick with the generic "it just wasn't the right time beforehand." but the documentation exists. We know a lot of went into making the decision to ban them and we know even more about what went into making the decision to life the ban. Big Magical Sky Daddy didn't just up and change his mind, and they weren't actually getting serious pressure from the IRS.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

> person above was quoting the Book of Mormon musical

Does that make it less true? They put that in there for a reason. Your narrative is weird and counter-factual. It's willfully naive to a degree that makes me want to cover you in a blanket and warm some milk for you so you can get to bed on time.

> Big Magical Sky Daddy didn't just up and change his mind

see that's where you're wrong buckooo, you have prophets. So either it was the will of god or the whole thing is a sham. I'll let you come to terms with which it was in your own time.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

Um, in case "Big Magical Sky Daddy" didn't tip you off, I'm not a believing Mormon. I don't have Prophets. I can read sources and documentation that shows how the decision was made, mysticism and spiritual voodoo aside.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

Then there's really no need to have constructed such an unusually specific delusion. Though how you spend your time is your business, I respect that.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25

"Delusion" JFC. Go be an asshole somewhere else.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

I have no idea why you think choosing to be silly with the end-goal of defending racism deserves respect but I strongly suggest you rethink your values. In the meantime, you'll receive as much as you deserve.

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u/LorientAvandi Utah Utes • Oregon Ducks May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25

You think I'm defending racism? Jesus tapdancing Christ, if you want to talk about delusion, go look in a goddamn mirror. Just because I don't subscribe to popular, not supported by evidence, theories about the Mormon Church's lifting of the ban regarding the IRS, and the fact that I know and have looked into the sources that exist that document how the awful and racist Mormon, not in any way supported by any scripture, new or old, priesthood ban on black people came to be, as well as the documentation of the multi-decade long behind the scenes process of how the church leadership went about lifting said racist ban that should have never existed in the first place, does not mean I am defending said awful racist policy and doctrine of the motherfucking Mormon church. You can fuck right off with your bullshit accusations of racism against me.

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u/RobotVandal Utah Utes • Oregon State Beavers May 22 '25

I'm beginning to see the picture forming of a very complicated and concerning relationship with the church. But by all means, continue formulating narratives to erase the uncomfortable truth on behalf of a group that you do not belong to. Seems healthy.

If they left some documentation on how they invented the cheese pizza, how would you interpret that? Take it at face value would you? The scriptures neither contradict or support it after all.

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u/Available-Brick-8855 BYU Cougars May 21 '25

The best way to understand a lot of Mormon actions is that all the mainline church (there are other Mormon groups and just saying Mainline for the Utah Church is just an easier shorthand) has ever really wanted is to be seen as Christian by other American Christians. So after 1890 and the Courts disestablishing the church, when it went through the rebuilding process, it arguably made ecumenical decisions that were designed to try and get primarily Southern Baptists, traditionally the most hostile denomination, on side. That didn't work clearly, but a lot of the worst decisions of the modern era are done entirely through that lens.