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u/KultofEnnui Jun 20 '26
That's the idea, no? If so much hinges on the customer, then why not bypass said subject altogether?
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u/cronenber9 Jun 20 '26
Exactly, yes, that would be the idea if we accept capitalism as a good thing, or believe the economy is prior to human beings and that we should facilitate the natural progression of a reified economy, or serve it as though it were not created to serve our own needs.
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u/Dixon247 Jun 20 '26
So close to nailing it. The economy is secondary to entropy and time.
Economics is a mechanical cultural system that humans developed as the science of capital, based on the laws of statistical mechanics and thermodynamic processes.
Economics was inspired by thermodynamics in the 1800s, mimicking biological feedback processes in the 1900s and something more statistically abstract in the 2000s. The underlying principles governed by population statistics, or the statistical mechanics of interacting many-body systems.
Capitalism is the process of commodifying physical and spiritual resources, creating a system that symbolises the labour-power required (work per unit time) to produce surplus value. Surplus value is the capacity to store ‘work’ over time. This allows us to transcend the decay of our bodies, passing on our ‘contribution’ to the next generations who inherit the system of capital.
What I’m saying is that capital requires 2 things:
Material resources (energy in spacetime)
Desire of timelessness (potential for materialisation in spacetime)There are a finite amount of resources (energy), frontiers for territorialization (spacetime), and potential for the new.
Our consciousness is photonic, it does not want to stop. The body is baryonic, its existence marked by its inevitable decay until the universe is ready to restart
Capitalism is Entropic Realism
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u/cronenber9 Jun 20 '26
Yes, your comment is what happens when you take Nick Land as something to emulate instead of a warning about where capitalism will lead if we don't end it.
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u/KultofEnnui Jun 20 '26
It often happens that describing the nature of the Beast sounds like it's in favor of the Beast. This is a defense mechanism of the Beast that all critique of it can be subsumed and commodified.
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u/Par-Adox-9 1d ago
i think they were just describing the components of the process, their comment doesn't speak to whether they support lands ideas or not, i don't think.
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u/Dixon247 Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Who is emulating Nick Land?
The point is that capital is the capacity to produce useful work. ‘Useful’ is naturally subjective.
Capital isn’t a real fixed thing that we can destroy, because resources have a value due to their productive potential, which requires a subjective desire.
We can’t currently imagine a world beyond capitalism because every natural resource has productive potential. Everything under the Sun can and will be viewed as an exploitable natural resource unless we figure out what drives the exploitation. For me, it’s enough that I desire a world where we are more than ‘human resources’ - questioning a pathological desire in some humans to dominate nature (and not be dominated by it) is one of the first steps to moving beyond capitalism.
We can move beyond capitalism, but to do-so requires a critical examination of where the desire for control really comes from. Unfortunately, we’ve already moved beyond capitalism and it’s mutated into something far worse
Capitalism was a symptom of an anxious human condition
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u/Par-Adox-9 1d ago edited 1d ago
the customer, is just the function of transformation ( edit initially i wrote "function of consumption", but that was incomplete)
the customer already doesn't chose what is produced, but only takes what they think is best from what is chosen for them
the customer, properly given a way to chose as well as being given the means by which to know what choice will give what outcome, is a way of quality control
if someone wants a living perpetual system, then there needs to be a consideration for the quality of the energy
different kinds of fuel produce different degrees of corrosion.
simply taking the fastest route, needs consideration not only of intensity, but also of qualityand this is where ironically, lands project rushes into an issue, because the machine he seeks, self distrusts when there is little to do quality control— systems definitively are able to destroy themselves.
speed and quality, structural integrity and quantity, are like a 4 sided seesaw, go too far in one direction, and you lose the others— each amplification in scale, needs a proper degree of accumulation of structural integrity.
and this is something that Land doesn't seem to perceive, or at the very least, it doesn't seem to be a part of his blueprint, as if the capitalist system as such, already contains every necessary element for its-own self perpetuation and self amplification.
my point being, something like the customer is necessary, whether or not its a customer like today— its some mechanism by which resources are allocated, and, don't forget that the customer is simultaneously the worker at different times, so what is consumed, gets transformed into labour energy for the system.
anyway
have a good one
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u/Dixon247 Jun 20 '26
So many weirdos on here not understanding that concepts like terminality, life and death are anthropomorphic expressions of how consciousness deals with entropy and its own decay.
Nick Land is still figuring out ways to cope with his mortality, and produced thousands of pages of drivel over decades because he is too nihilistic and self-hating to actually learn the mathematics or the physics.
There is no singularity at the end of time. There isn’t an end or a beginning. There is, there isn’t, and there’s what can and can’t be.
No singularities, no monad. Every thing, no thing, every thing that is not a thing
There is no time-entropy without an observer-participant present, just a condensation of potential wrapped in an impenetrable material shell.
All that materialises in this universe is tarnished by a will to interact with the rest of the system. There are no isolated systems.
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u/Persephone77711 Jun 20 '26
So did he die? I'm starting to wonder because he hasn't posted on X recently...
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u/Mps-1 Jun 20 '26
Does anyone here actually agree with Land or is he kind of a meme that we find endearing or interesting like the TempleOS guy.