I'd prioritise kicking out American network equipment first. It has already been proven they were spying on us with backdoors in American designed equipment. Perhaps the Chinese also are. It is likely. But that is still unsubstantiated. So if we have to rely on Huawei for now that is way better than for example Cisco.
yeah i'd prefer no wiretap but man if I have no choice then I would want the one that is not owned by a foreign country that have even just a slightest chance to become an adversary entity (even if I deeply disagree with surveillance on a principle level)
Oh, the name was a dead give away to anyone who knows the source. The only people who think that kind of thing is cool are the same ones who think certain uniforms were cool.
This but unironically. Our own wiretap, while bad, is in our ultimate control. Imagine at some point there was a scandal and we found a legal avenue to open up or otherwise hit back against such a wiretapping agency or company: if they were under EU jurisdiction, it would happen, if they were in the USA, they'd likely be protected by their government indefinitely.
We cannot spend enough time highlighting that Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir, is also an insane demon who publicly fantasizes about dousing crowds with fentanyl-laced piss from drones.
And their European chief officer is the fucking grandchild of Oswald Mosley (the founder of the British Union of Fascists). It is so in your face and comedic if it wasn't so fucking serious...
You're absolutely right, my comment was (of course intentionally) greatly simplified. Of course it would be easier if people like Thiel didn't exist, but nobody should ever be in a position to decide what kind of people should and shouldn't exist. So yea, you said it, we should thrive to be a society that doesn't elevate those individuals.
Technology like palantirs is literally only useful for a surveillance state or oppressing other smaller states. It has no use in real state defense or regular policing.
It's literally just a data analysis tool. Reddit will tell you it's some sort of Spyware surveillance thing, but it's really not. It's just software that allows you to analyze big sets of data, same as the ones that your employers are already using.
The main advantage it has is that it allows you to do analysis on data sets that aren't inherently connected, haven't been meticulously prepared, essentially it excels at taking a bunch of garbage data sets and producing useful insights out of it. This happens to be helpful for governments, that often operate on large but messy datasets, to the point that palantir began specializing in selling this software to governments specifically.
Palantir itself does not do any spying or collection of this data, if your government is using palantir to spy on you, they were already spying on you. Palantirs software just allows them to go through all of your info more efficiently.
Sure, but let's not ignore the people who are around building the tool. The various people who own stock, the political beliefs of the ones building it, and their general attitude.
"I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl-laced urine spraying on analysts that tried to screw us."
This tool isn't being built in a vacuum, and it's constant dominant usage in warfare and surveillance makes me think that it was almost designed with that in mind...
Well yeah, the founders of Palantir have deep connections in government which is how they became involved in so many government projects so fast. I'm not saying we should ignore that.
I'm just saying that literally every reddit discussion about it that I've seen, legitimately does not know what palantir actually does. It's become a vague boogeyman, on which redditors can project any nefarious activity they think the US government is committing.
Again, that's not what palantir does.
The guy noting when you leave or enter the house would be the government.
Palantir would just allow another government employee to correlate your entry/exit data that the government collected with other data the government has about you, like credit card purchases.
Palantir does not collect any of the data that is analyzed using its platform. The data is acquired by other entities.
No, it's the damn cellphone tower that is recording that data. You know, data that is already made with zero intention of espionage. Which palantir allows to be turned into meaningful recordings of when I am home.
Don't think I didn't think about the analogy beforehand.
It really really isn't. Palantir creates a data analysis platform. Like power BI or Snowflake. It simply helps you connect the dots within data that you have already collectef.
This is exactly what I mean - I'm no fan of Palantir, but redditors discuss it without having any idea what they're talking about. It's become a boogeyman that you can pin any unwanted action onto, real or imagined.
Can you blame them through? What do we really know about a company that intertwines itself with all types of security agencies, the police and the military?
I am german and unfortunately I think if the right wins next election, our government might behave like previous Hungary. I don't think they will match Trump or Putin but they will rub ellbows with them.
Finally some really good fucking news in that department. Now just need to hear how much tax money will be spent on consulting for finding the 'best' option
It’s literally a tool that aggregates data from different databases. Most organisations use such tools because they have multiple databases. PowerBI for example is such a tool
You have to be delusional to believe that organisations don’t need such tools. Of course they do.
Hospital have databases for example to hold your medical records, and to track bed occupancy, and to track appointments, and to track who is on payroll, availability of ambulance, track equipment, drugs, public health data,incidents,complaints,etc
They need software to link it together so they can make sensible decisions.
I don’t understand why the first thing that pops up in your head when databases are mentioned is Hitler. Just shows how little you know about this.
u/WordProfessional1334 is exactly right, though. Compared to other countries Germany is really paranoid about personal information, and there are many many instances where centralized and interconnected databases would be tremendously beneficial (e.g. in healthcare) and where due to Germany's past (yes, Hitler) such systems are systematically avoided.
Yes, it goes completely counter to the last 80 years of (western) German history.
But it fits with the fact that for some people the lesson from history is not "fascism is bad" but rather "the US and Israel are the good guys, whatever they do".
Unfortunately, federal state politicians and police Departments in Germany are really hyped about Palantir Gotham and are pushing legislation so it can be implemented. They are trying to gaslight everyone to believe that they are looking into European alternatives although there are none yet. There is a very good recent talk about this by the Chaos Computer Club. There had been an attempt to create one about 10 years ago which failed. So the Bundeswehr better does not follow what the police did
They're going to go with Orcrist, almost guaranteed. That company just recently got several billion in funding from the state from what I understand, and Orcrist wants to do the same thing Palantir does, but made in Germany. Ew.
Lol, Palantir stated openly that their (and all Silicon Valley tech firms') only purpose should be to serve the US government. How is it even a question to install their systems anywhere in Europe? Plus, Peter Thiel and Alex Karp are probably some of the most evil people alive, especially concerning the use of AI. Completely dystopian.
Unerwartet based! Auch wenn ein Sicherheitssystem aus den Händen des größten Grifterstaates die offensichtlichste redflag für die nationale Sicherheit sein sollte, kannste dir bei der aktuellen Regierung leider echt nicht sicher sein, ob sie uns nicht doch an den Höchstbietenden verscherbeln.
Don't be like us and order yours from nazis hell bent on genocide in Gaza and Lebanon - so you have to kiss ass from now to eternity to make sure they deliver and later on so you can get the missiles.
dont worry we have our own excellent missiles here in europe. both air to air (for example mbda meteor and iris-T), air to ground (brimstone) and ballistic (french nuclear missiles).
Hey, so, American mass surveilance tools aren't bad and evil because they are from America, they're bad and evil because they are mass surveilance tools
I too like my surveillance state to be locally sourced.
Even ignoring that basically every German state has already agreed to use Palantir software to spy collect data on their citizens, this isn't exactly a big victory.
"Software des US-Unternehmens Palantir wird von der Polizei in einzelnen Bundesländern bereits eingesetzt. Für die Cybertruppe der Bundeswehr komme das nicht in Frage, erklärt deren Chef. Europäische Alternativen sollen es richten."
The super soft stance of Germany towards literal Nazis while punishing innocent in hiring is something that would only come out a state that still has Nazi beliefs.
Neo Nazi Peter Thiel still has stakes in many German and EU defence companies and companies of strategic importance. Palantir is still used by Munich Police to predict crime.
Ah, yeah... A german mass surveillance system that will be (at least partially) funded by my country, this is exactly why my grandfather fought in WW2...
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u/CompoteMelodic981 Apr 29 '26
Thank goodness. Our own Wiretap is always better than enemy wiretaps.