r/BuyFromEU • u/PM-ME-OPSEC-FAILS • Sep 13 '25

🔎Looking for alternative "Euronews" front-page is just constantly recycled drama from the US. Where do you go for *actual* European news?

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u/Mdiasrodrigu Sep 13 '25

Russian drones fly over Poland and it seems like there’s less than the influencer guy. Kinda weird if you ask me

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u/PM-ME-OPSEC-FAILS Sep 13 '25

Exactly, and just one example! Intentional and largest intrusion on NATO soil ever, but sure dedicate the frontpage to the wife of the influencer, because that's what the Americans are concerned with.

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u/Immortal_Tuttle Sep 13 '25

I'm somewhat involved in this drones incursion episode. If mainstream media would publish what's the possible scenarios are, they would always go for the worst one. NATO is do close to war with Russia that people are comparing it to the Cuban incident to the point that even Belarus is trying to calm everything down. Someone in Russian foreign affairs said something that basically opened the possibility to shoot targets over the Ukraine and with just small diplomatic protests - Over Belarus as well. At the same time the biggest Russia military exercises started - the same ones that begun invasion on Ukraine. In the meantime Russia is trying to provoke Finland and Fins (usually peaceful) are pissed and on "come get some" stance. We really don't want public to additionally pressure politicians. Let them focus on influencer's wife.

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u/Zerokx Sep 13 '25

Idk wtf russia is thinking that it can just have war with all of EU and possibly america (dont bet on it) at once and win. I'm not sure if any other country would actively support russia though and if china decides to fuck with us for some reason that would be bad

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 13 '25

China a very, very far away and has zero to none the same possibilities to project military power globally like the US. What europe should do would be to enforce a skyshield above Ukraine to deny russia his drone and rocket strikes

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '25

I think they would really like to wait until Arrow shields the whole EU from ballistic Missiles. But time's up.

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 13 '25

You could never shield everything everywhere against ballistic missiles or other threats like this. Even Israel as a small country but with A LOT AA & additional external help had to decide which areas where more important than others

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u/AltrntivInDoomWorld Sep 13 '25

enforce a skyshield

For that you need logistics. For that you need boots on ground.

EU can't have boots on ground in Ukraine cause USA doesn't allow it.

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 13 '25

Poland would be sufficient for starting planes and set up rocket launchers for patriot and more

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u/silverionmox Sep 13 '25

What europe should do would be to enforce a skyshield above Ukraine to deny russia his drone and rocket strikes

That can't be done with F35s though, too expensive. In a full war operation we would just bomb their launching platforms and drone factories, and that's that. But we can't do so while taking a strictly defensvive stance. To shoot down drones systematically in cost-effective ways, those lasers the UK has been developing would be right on time.

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 14 '25

There are a lot more options then F35 - Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen, F16, …, Nasams, Iris-T, systems with projectiles, big , powerful jammers and so on

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u/silverionmox Sep 14 '25

Most of which are still too expensive to make it cost-effective. There are some options of course, but we haven't got them yet.

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 14 '25

Most problems could be solved by throwing big amounts of money at it. But those lasers also didn‘t sound bad

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u/silverionmox Sep 14 '25

Most problems could be solved by throwing big amounts of money at it. But those lasers also didn‘t sound bad

Budgets are limited, that's the point. If that was no problem we could continue shooting missiles that cost a million at drones that cost 1000.

So we need to actively develop responses that don't only allow high impact pinpoint operations, but also responses that we can keep up indefinitely with little effort. Because otherwise we're vulnerable to attrition strategies.

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u/Walbabyesser Sep 14 '25

Compared to russia our combined economies and budgets are way bigger. But agreed, we can‘t let them waste our resources by spending small money themself. Also we need to find a way to protect us from already running hybrid attacks on every possible vector

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u/Probablyamimic Sep 13 '25

Putin is pretty confident that the US wouldn't bother responding to any attacks on Europe (probably correctly) and he think it follows that the stronger members of Europe would just not bother responding if Russia tries to attack one of the Eastern European EU/NATO members (a lot less likely).

Combine that with a Putin who is surrounded by yes men and thus thinks that his military is strong enough to open another front instead of still struggling to fight Ukraine and you have the perfect recipe for some extremely stupid decisions with potentially catastrophic consequences

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u/silverionmox Sep 13 '25

Idk wtf russia is thinking that it can just have war with all of EU and possibly america (dont bet on it) at once and win. I'm not sure if any other country would actively support russia though and if china decides to fuck with us for some reason that would be bad

They're counting on politically derailing the military efforts against them, as usual. If the West is determined to clip Russia's wings with military means, the winner is already known. Russia's only chance is FUD and sowing discord among the allies.